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From : Rodney Shakespeare<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : Social Credit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject : Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] questions to Rodney- 1-- look again in the archives Date : Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:30:28 +0100 Dear All,
Bill Ryan -- in looking for an answer -- says that he has looked in the Ownership archives.
I do not believe him. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] Okay, I'm lying. --
Keith Wilde will, I am sure, be my supportive witness on this because the archives are very extensive and, to cover all the answers would have taken hours, and hours and hours -- time that Bill has not had and, even if he had had, he would not have given. No, at most, he just looked up a few subject headings. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] Actually, over the last couple of years I read through the archives. Just the archive index is some 1.64MB. It takes several minutes just to download the index. The messages are several mutiples of that. I suppose it will be faster if you have broadband. --
I say this with confidence because he has very obviously missed those emails in which I explain how and why binary earnings, in a binary economy, might be eight or nine times those paid out at present in dividends, yes, eight or nine times. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] No, I saw the part about eight or nine times earnings. But it's completely meaningless unless you define earnings. How can you fully pay out what you do not define? Unless you define earnings the entire binary case collapses into nothingness. How can you pay out eight or nine times what you do not define? --
At least one of my answers, giving all the factors in the situation, has a length virtually equivalent to a chapter in a book. I have also re-issued that long email at least once probably on another list, although I cannot remember which. Got that, Bill? Try looking again. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] Why don't you just tell us the answer? Are we playing a game of hide-n-seek"? Alternatively, on what page in your book is the answer. Just tell us the page. I'll look it up and copy it to the list. --
You see there is a problem with Bill Ryan and his answers -- they come from a man who, under the claim of "moderation" prevents others seeing emails to this list and does not then tell those others that he has excluded them or give a reason for so doing. (At the moment, he is trying to justify his behaviour by claiming that his "moderation" is about excluding spam. It isn't. It's about censoring emails he does not like). ---------- [reply-07-18-03] No it's not, Rodney. I generally do correspond with the authors of rejected messages and tell them why. It is partly about excluding spam but only a small part. Every message you have sent over the months has been forwarded to the list with the exception of three sent on June 20, and one of those three simply copied the other two. To other messages posted on that date were forwarded. Here are the three that were not: --
From: Rodney Shakespeare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003
John, The difference is -- in whose hands the money is. If it is in the hands of those with considerable unsatisfied consumer needs, they will tend to spend it (if they have a secure basic income).
Two other emails from me have Not reached the list. I wonder why. I append them below.
Rodney Shakespeare.
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Dear All,
Alas, the personal abuse, insults and snubs from Bill have wrecked the list.
Rodney Shakespeare
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Campbell, Bill knows the answers alright but whether he's willing to say them is another matter.
Rodney Shakespeare. --
Anyway, Ryan wants to know about the binary definition of earnings and has gaily ignored the fact that I gave him another way of finding any binary thoughts on the subject --he can read the whole of Binary Economics (it only has 450 or so pages) and see if the answer is there. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] Just tell us the page or chapter. I'll transcribe it verbatim and copy it to the list. It would be easier if you would do it. --
On the short extract of dialogue between Keynes, Gregory and Douglas 73 years ago, I am pleased to see that there is some recognition that the receipts of capital are greater than what is paid out in dividends. We have made a teeny bit of progress. It remains for Bill to discover the several reasons for the eight/nine statement made above. Rodney Shakespeare. ---------- [reply-07-18-03] Rodney, what kind of dialog is this? How can you expect anybody to take you seriously? If you perceive that someone is not agreeing with you, you accuse them of either not reading your stuff, or lying due to perverse motive. It pretty much fits the clinical definition of paranoia. Can't you be open to the possibility that they do not understand because you haven't made yourself clear?
I'm trying to help you, Rodney, I really am. We can start by you giving us your definition of earnings. That means a real definition. Not just a sentence or paragraph where you use the word.
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