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Since your mail reader does not understand | this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. | | ----__JNP_000_0f3f.1398.43a4 | Content-Type: text/plain | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | To: Wallace M. Klinck and other serious dissenters | from the status quo and the Washington Consensus | on my copy list. | | Wally, | | Your test message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] was fully | distributed, it seems. But Victor Bridger, W. Curtiss Priest, | Jessop Sutton, and others have had communication | problems when the topic of discussion departs from | Bill Ryan's sense of the proper topics. I have not had any | messages "bounced," that is returned to me, as Victor | mentioned. My experience is that my messages are | simply not distributed. Forwarded below is the last of | my messages distributed on list socialcredit. Since July 3, | none of my twelve subsequent messages were distributed | on list socialcredit. | | Since the serious reformers among us have no other goal | than the general welfare of people everywhere in the world, | "The Optimum Policy" we hope to discover will likely contain | contributions from more than one of the several authors | mentioned in my message of July 3, below. In the | interest of assuring an open debate on this vital question | may I suggest that serious reformers all join list TOP and | post their messages to lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | other addresses of interest, and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. | | TOP has ten serious reformers, including Bill Ryan and a | few religious scholars, who have spent most of the last | six months just lurking on the list. As Bill Ryan said, I | have been saying the same things in my e-mails since | Christmas 1994 when I got my first modem, so they know | every thing I know. The list members would welcome | some new ideas, and postings to list TOP are monitored | only by the subscribers, as far as I know. | | Of the eight visual-aids posted by W. Curtiss Priest on his | Website below, the attached file Fig8.1.gif is the best one | for explaining the effectiveness of a universal "social | dividend," or the effectiveness of each of the three | components of a universal "social dividend:" 0 to 17 year | subsistence, 17 to 65 year subsistence, and 65 to last year | subsistence. | | Of course, if your source of funding restricts your writing | to commenting on the works of particular authors, then | joining TOP will not satisfy your requirements. My income | from Social Security, at age 79, does not impose any such | restrictions on what I write. | | Respectfully, | | Wes Burt | | --------- Forwarded message ---------- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Social Credit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Date: Thu, 3 July 2003 11:22:45 -0400 | Subject: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Communication problem with Maj. C. H. Douglas. | Message-ID: (Deleted by Wes Burt) | | Wally, | | You are indeed a hard working man! First the evidence of | your hard work. My comments then follow. On Thu, 03 | July 2003 01:18:22 -0600 you write: | | "Wes, | | (Two messages from Wally concerning H. M. Murray's | chapter 8 of "The Struggle For Money" and my replies | deleted by Wes Burt) | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | I am confident that Thomas Paine, Karl Marx, C. H. Douglas, | John M. Keynes, W. B. Ryan, John Gelles, et al, were all | trying to solve the problem you describe as a, "very significant | and growing deficiency of financial income as compared | to financial costs." At the macro level of economic analysis, | there is no deficiency of financial income. Say's Law still | holds! Kirchhoff's Laws still hold! (Kirchhoff, Gustav Robert, | 1824-1887, patron saint of electrical engineers). And because | none of these worthy authors extended their analysis to the | micro level, we have endless debates and no resolution of | the problem. | | Every one I meet on the Internet seems to be my academic | and intellectual superior by a wide margin. My only excuse | for writing on this subject is that my "on the job training," | quite by chance, disclosed the micro analysis as practiced | by General Electric, in its 1940-50s decentralization program, | and as practiced by GE customers in the electric power | industry, in their computation and execution of a Pareto | Optimum schedule of production from all connected sources | of power. My experience was on the "Eastern Power Grid" | which covers the United States and Canada, East of Texas. | Different ideas, allowing a "race to the bottom," are held | on the Western power grid which includes the "recall state" | of California. | | Bill Ryan is quite right, I have been playing "one note" for | years. I just need to learn how to play it so macro economists | can understand what "The Optimum Policy" has to be. I'll try | again after reading Murray's "The Struggle For Money." | | Thanks again Wally, for your patience. | | Kind regards, | | Wes Burt | | To further explore "The Optimum Policy" illustrated | at URL <http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm> | please join me at list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. | | | ==^================================================================ | This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bdWzaV.d2VzYnVy | Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. 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