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From: William B. Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Keith reading
Zarlenga
> ***>my interpretation of one-half of his
thesis<***
>
> ***>He will find out there from whom Douglas stole
> his ideas. <***
>
> Keith, it would be helpful it you will provide us a
> summary of both halves of Zarlenga's thesis as you
> see them.
>
> ***>He will find out there from whom Douglas stole
> his ideas. <***
>
> Keith, it would be helpful it you will provide us a
> summary of both halves of Zarlenga's thesis as you
> see them.
That is what I was trying to do when
your sectarian reaction to my initial posting distracted me from that into
an effort to keep you from spoiling your
own case. It is a large book and a large job, and I am not as quick
as you.
I should not have circulated my essay about
the conspiracy roots and their links to Social Credit, for it gave you and
probably others a false impression of The Lost Science book. That essay
was purely a result of my own exploration of one or two links provided by
Zarlenga--links which explained the "anti-semitism" accusation against
Social Credit to my satisfaction, and put it to rest for me. I thought it would
be received with some appreciation for the latter effect, but you seem instead
to have turned it into an attack on Zarlenga for not singing hymns of praise to
your personal super-hero.
> It would be helpful if you will tell us
specifically
> from whom Zarlenga (or you) infer that Douglas
> (without acknowledging Douglas' existence in the case
> of Zarlenga) "stole" his ideas.
> from whom Zarlenga (or you) infer that Douglas
> (without acknowledging Douglas' existence in the case
> of Zarlenga) "stole" his ideas.
I haven't the slightest evidence
for or inclination toward the notion that Douglas "stole" his ideas.
All I know is that Alexander Del Mar features prominently as a source in The
Lost Science, and that his work was done and published mainly before Douglas
started to write. I was just tweaking you, in recollection of your belief
that Kelso and Adler stole their idea about the cultural inheritance (capital)
from Douglas.
>
> ***>But how about some help interpreting the next
> one, which has obviously been distorted in
> transcription? <***
How about sticking in the precise missing
words--or guessing at what they should have been? I don't disbelieve your
intepretation, but the statements themselves are quite
obscure.
>
> "I hope you see what I mean by that individuals into
> classes and to say for instance that this is a
> movement of the down and outs, or something of that
> sort, is a victory for the financial system.
>
> We're all in the same boat with the financiers. The
> class struggle is a diversion.
> --
>
> ***>Same question re this next paragraph<***
>
> "So that if the matter is properly investigated,
> there is every sound justification for going to
> anyone may be one enemy, and that is not each other,
> but it is the financial system."
>
> Continuation of the same theme: The class struggle
> is a diversion. It is a victory for the "financial
> system" if this is turned into a fight between groups
> of people or systems of organization rather than
> between philosophies.
> --
>
> ***>OK, here we have it from Douglas that the first
> trench is to spread understanding<***
>
> No, spreading understanding is something else. He is
> saying those with understanding must take action.
> You can't win the war without taking the first
> trench. Talking in and of itself accomplishes
> nothing. In that 1934 address he gives examples of
> regulatory action that could begin to achieve that
> objective. In the context of 1934 there was
> considerable professed sympathy for social credit in
> New Zealand's political and legislative circles, as
> there was contemporaneously in Alberta and elsewhere.
> Professing sympathy is one thing. Actually taking
> action is another. He was urging action at was then
> a critical moment in world history.
> "I hope you see what I mean by that individuals into
> classes and to say for instance that this is a
> movement of the down and outs, or something of that
> sort, is a victory for the financial system.
>
> We're all in the same boat with the financiers. The
> class struggle is a diversion.
> --
>
> ***>Same question re this next paragraph<***
>
> "So that if the matter is properly investigated,
> there is every sound justification for going to
> anyone may be one enemy, and that is not each other,
> but it is the financial system."
>
> Continuation of the same theme: The class struggle
> is a diversion. It is a victory for the "financial
> system" if this is turned into a fight between groups
> of people or systems of organization rather than
> between philosophies.
> --
>
> ***>OK, here we have it from Douglas that the first
> trench is to spread understanding<***
>
> No, spreading understanding is something else. He is
> saying those with understanding must take action.
> You can't win the war without taking the first
> trench. Talking in and of itself accomplishes
> nothing. In that 1934 address he gives examples of
> regulatory action that could begin to achieve that
> objective. In the context of 1934 there was
> considerable professed sympathy for social credit in
> New Zealand's political and legislative circles, as
> there was contemporaneously in Alberta and elsewhere.
> Professing sympathy is one thing. Actually taking
> action is another. He was urging action at was then
> a critical moment in world history.
Well, I'd like to know what Wally, Victor,
Chick and others think about this, but it seems to me that it is pretty
difficult to take the trench without an army. And the first step in building the
army is to develop understanding of how (and who) a minority group is
exerting power over the majority. That is the understanding I thought I had
grasped in my most recent exchanges with Victor about his essay on the meaning
of Social Credit (the "policy of a philosophy" part).
>
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