To: A few serious reformers and many dumb defenders of the status quo (DDotSQ) on my copy list.
Dear John Gelles, Many thanks for your timely and eloquent 09-15-03 response to my excessively long 09-14-03 re visitation of previous messages. Your views on my BLOGS and your collaborative agendas is appended below, with only one comment of mine inserted, for the enlightenment and amusement of folks on my copy list. Thanks again, John, for your collaboration on moving TOPS closer to TOP. Kind regards, Wes Burt To further explore "The Optimum Policy" illustrated at URL <http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm> please join me at list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "John Gelles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "John Gelles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:38:07 -0700 Subject: BLOGS or Collaborative Agendas Dear Wes Burt, 1. Thanks for your message of 14 September 2003, 6:11 pm 2. The scope of the message was wide. So I am numbering the paragraphs of this reply to help me read and remember any particular point I may need for future thought or action. 3. Long messages like yours are more diaries than parts of a conversation. They fit the idea of the BLOG that is currently popular. BLOG's are OK. But my prayer for the internet is to produce collaborative AGENDAS. 4. Our Burt-Gelles agenda, which we would gladly give a non-personal name, like Anti-poverty Agenda 101, to signify its nature and serial number, and put it into an open authorship mode inviting all to own it, might include: - Recognition of the temporary and limited nature of rules, to encourage change, from whatever fails, to reforms that work, and to invite arbitration in place of decisions that set precedent. - Adding to bank-created money (based on loans that pay interest) EXTRA interest-free money, spent into circulation by sovereign nations. The extra money would look the same as all other money authorized by law to discharge enforceable debt. Management of bank interest rates, reserves, and ratios, to prevent bank bankruptcy and money inflation and deflation, would be open and explained to the press and public. The primary means to fight inflation will be subsidized production, inflation-protected well rewarded private savings, with rationing, price control, taxes and capital levy reserved for use as a last resort. Unemployment will NOT be used to protect money or depress wages. Within its criminal jurisdiction, sovereign nations would prohibit trade and transactions that amounted to theft -- even though disguised to look like legal speculation and gambling. Prohibited transactions would be subject to confiscation of gains, fines and accustomed criminal penalty. The purpose of interest free money (spent into circulation by nations) is to buy and or pay for all the jobs, knowledge and its distribution, fair play, personal and national security, and other needs of a just society, that private enterprise and national lotteries fail to produce or pay for. 5. Additional agenda items will be supplied -- preferably in ordinary language and without untested (for ease of reading) diagrams or mathematical notation. 6. Wes, I think I understood more of your particular style of writing than ever before. Of course we are all free to speak in our own way. It is often said that the great books are written in a style that allows each reader to see what he likes. So you may be on to something that will become a classic. Or you may be writing a diary of thoughts for yourself -- like a BLOG. 7. In all events, the search for automatic systems for money's role in production, similar to the way electricity and fuel are balanced on a grid, or similar to my own notions of "extra" money, must be taken for what they are -- models only. In real life we must be prepared to tailor reform to results -- more or less the way science allows for experiment to advance theory. John Gelles (WSB The post W. W. II economic miracles of the General Electric Company, the US electric power industry, Japan, Germany, and other Western European nations; together with the common text of the King James Version of the Holy Bible and "The Pentateuch and Haftorahs," constitute a rather robust set of models. Only the "in depth defense of the status quo," which presently prevails on the Internet and in the Media, keeps the US tax payers from reducing this set of models to practice. WSB) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: John Gelles [see original message] --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bcVIgP.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^----------------------------------------------------------------
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