--- In [email protected], k5nwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 05:22 PM 12/2/2007, you wrote: > > > >And the ironic part is Vista is much more stable than XP when it > >first came out, XP was slower than Win2K uyntil SP1 > >came out, as late as 2004 it hadn't been adopted by Big Biz in large > >numbers, you had to upgrade a lot of hardware to make it run on an > >older machine. > > At work we didn't allow XP into our PC's for at least a year because > it was such a headache, of course now that it's seasoned and mature > it work great. Just the same, we are buying PC's with Vista and > downgrading them to XP for now until we are confident that all > critical applications will work with Vista. > > SNIP > > >Basically everything that people are saying or complaining about in > >Vista, they were complaining about when XP first came out but now > >people talk as if XP is Da Bomb? > > > >SNIP > > It's human nature to forget the pain, and remember the good things. > > >SDR is the wave of the future for RF and Vista's new sound models are > >the wave of the future for DSP/DAW .... > > > >I'll end this here but don't get mad at me in a couple of years when I > >get to say "I told ya so" ... > > > >JR > > My main PC a 2.8GHz Core 2 duo with 3 GB ram was acting funny after > some questionable software was installed, so it was time to format > and reload the OS and applications. > > So since Corporate was trying to get me to try Vista on a > non-critical work PC I decided to install it on this PC instead, > which I did yesterday. So far most things are going smooth but there > are some definite issues; > > 1. My main audio card is a Delta-44, for which there are no Vista drivers.
I exchanged some email with one of the software engineers ate M-Audio, they decided to leave the PCI cards for last because they really want to support the new WaveRT model which is only available for PCI/PCIe devices (No USB support) ... If they come through with this it will be well worth the wait, as far as I know right now RME are the only ones with WaveRT support in their cards and Cakewalk Sonar are the only recording/dsp software taking advantage of WaveRT (Probably because RME and Cakewalk pushed for this) > 2. My main two development software packages will not install or run > correctly. That is a big minus, they are older versions of Borland > software which run fine on Xp, but lately Borland thinks their > software is made of solid gold and the upgrade charges are > outrageous. Other pieces of software are also not Vista compatible > with no replacement at present. Sounds to me like a Borland problem not a Vista problem ... I've been hearing those complaints long before Vista came out ... be sure to check with MS, they've been releasing compatibility updates on a weekly basis ... > > 3. When I reboot (a real reboot) the machine takes about 10 minutes > before it settles down, non-stop disk access and CPU usage for 10 > minutes after the login. Turn off UAC and Sleep mode ... It's mainly the Sleep mode cleaning up it's cache ... I've notice that the longer you go between reboots (For me it's often several weeks ... usually when the power goes off) the longer the shutdown ... This is a valid complaint and hopefully MS fixes it ... Also if you are using Intel's SATA drivers you need to update them ... The disk access after boot is Vista's aggresive memory caching in action, it stops as soon as you start needing the memory for other things like opening a program (Many Linux distros do this a lot too especially when first installed) ... as long as it's sitting idle, especially after boot, it's going to try to use as much memory as possible, unused memory is wasted memory and Vista does a good job or releasing the cache when you call for more memory like opening an app > 4. Xp took 87Mb of Ram after a re-boot with nothing running, Vista > Enterprise take 743 MB of RAM for the same thing, wow talk about a > resource hog. You can NOT go by RAM usage and compare it with XP because Vista's memory management is much MUCH more aggressive at caching programs and your hard drives ... Why do people thiink that having 75% of their memory sitting there doing nothing is a good thing? With Vista 64 (32 is limited to 4 GB) and enough memory I would be able to do a full 16 track recording, using 2 DSP plugins per channel as well as a couple of softsynths and never touch the harddrive ... THAT will be the future of studio recording ... in 2-4 years many power users are going to wonder how they ever got by with 'only' 4GB of memory > > 5. A lot of silly irritating changes, in some cases where one window > would come up with multiple tabs to handle related things now they > are individual programs in separate menus, why? It makes no sense, > one could not say it's better the new way. Some things I have not > been able to find at all, how do you control how window explorer > behaves? I like seeing file extensions but someone at MS decided it's > that I don't know what I want and they are going to decide for me. And everyone hated XP's GUI when it first came out, it's human nature to hate change and like what you are familiar with, in a month or two of usage you won't notice anymore (I always used 'Classic View" in XP, in Vista I don't notice a drag on the system even with everything on ... Why? Because Vista's GUI can access you video cards GPU directly while XP relies on your CPU for the same thing and it's about time they took advantage of GPU power in more than just games ... I had no problem setting up Explorer and I don't understand why you are, first thing I did when I loaded it was set up the File Explorer exactly like XP's ... the ONLY difference I noticed is with 'multimedia folders' but that behavior can be changed also ... but once you get used to it it's kinda cool seeing a preview of a photo or video or album/CD cover in a larger format than a thumbnail with a lot less overhead (If you have 100 photos in a folder it took XP forever to show the thumbnails, with Vista it's instantaneous because the aggressive memory caching has already put most of them in memory as sson as you opened the folder instead of going to the hard drive like XP) To change a 'multimedia folder' behavior (Or any folder for that matter), right click the folder, select 'properties' and then the 'customize' tab .... In the dropdown marked "What kind of folder do you want" choose 'all' .. This will put you in the old XP view, if a item such as 'size' isn't showing right click where it say "name" in Explorer and put a check next to 'size' or whatever you want to see in that folder from now on .... Actually once you get used to it it's not so bad and in fact it's a real improvement if you have a lot of multimedia files like MP3's ... The only problem is it often defaults to video or music if a new folder has that kind of file in it BUT once you change it to what you want it sticks ... One place it reamins a pain in the butt are CDs which you have to reset every time you load it > Overall I agree, Vista is much better than Xp when it first started > where BSOD were quite common. Items 1 through 4 are irritations that > may eventually go away except #2 which I consider critical, Vmware > may come to the rescue on this one since I don't feel like spending a > ton of money on upgrades. With number 5, time will allow me to get > use to the differences just like we got use to the quirks in XP when > it came out. > > Eventually Vista will take over and Xp will start to die, with a > 8000 Lb gorilla behind that scenario there will be no choice, but by > then Vista will hopefully be in finer shape. Overall I would say the > FUD is exaggerated, but then I have not looked at the fine details yet. > DRM has got a lot of people pissed, but the fact is it won't effect most people unless they use Blueray or HD DVDs and ONLY if the DVD itself is protected and has it enabled .... So a lot of people are looking high and low for anything to slam Microsoft with and even making up a lot of stuff like that Professor in Australia did without ever trying Vista himself, most of which has since been disproven (But talking about THAT doesn't sell newspapers or get you web hits like bashing Microsoft does) .... Yes DRM sucks but if anyone else has a way to better protect the Intellectual Property of artists, writers, musicians and film makers I'd like to hear it ... I'd be pissed if someone was stealing my hard earned work, and so would everyone else if they are honest with themselves > Cecil > K5NWA > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > > "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." >
