I've requested the primitive bone fix for sym maps about 6 times now... Nulls are it as an alternative. Just wish there was the option to have more shapes for nulls as well as offsetting orientation in the shadows.
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Eric Thivierge <ethivie...@hybride.com>wrote: > If you're using the implicit bones with success and don't need any of the > benefits of the Softimage bone chains just use Nulls. It's typically what > I"m using. > > Eric T. > > > On Monday, February 17, 2014 3:16:29 PM, Siew Yi Liang wrote: > >> @Matt Morris: I didn't know that actually, that is fantastic! Going to >> try it ASAP~ >> >> @Matt Lind: I know, I should pick up more scripting knowledge... I >> only just started recently working with the XSI API (and python in >> general), so gimme a chance to catch up to you guys :D >> >> @Eric: That explains it. I was wondering why it was working with my >> main biped rig but not with the facial rig. (my biped rig is using >> nulls for deformers but I found out about implicit bones halfway and >> wanted to use them to see if I could then have a distinct type for >> them so that my controls could be selected using the null selection >> filter and my deformers using the bone filter instead.) So would you >> would recommend sticking with nulls/standard bones for defomers? >> >> Thanks a ton guys! Once I get a chance in the next few days I'll try >> GATORing the weights over to a merged mesh, edit them, and then bring >> them back to the main mesh. >> Yours sincerely, >> Siew Yi Liang >> On 2/17/2014 11:37 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: >> >>> In regards to the Symmetry Map not working, if you are using the >>> implicit bones as you've said previously it won't work because they >>> haven't fixed this script to compensate for using this object type >>> which was only introduced with ICE Kinematics. It's been requested >>> quite a few times but I haven't seen it fixed yet, then again I don't >>> use the implicit bones much. >>> >>> Eric T. >>> >>> On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:27:26 PM, Matt Lind wrote: >>> >>>> I solved the problem for our pipeline by writing a tool which is >>>> similar to GATOR but runs as a command instead of an operator. The >>>> advantage is the tool can operate on selected subcomponents instead of >>>> the entire mesh. A further embellishment I exposed was different >>>> methods for searching the source mesh for envelope weights. The user >>>> was free to move between built-in methods such as closest location, >>>> raycast, closest vertex, ... as well as other custom criteria I devised >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> I also wrote a dedicated clothing transfer tool which allows weights >>>> to be painted on our main character, then transferred and refit onto >>>> the other characters while accounting for changes in proportions of >>>> limbs and torso, for example. >>>> >>>> It's a very solvable problem if you crack open the script editor. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com >>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Siew >>>> Yi Liang >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2014 10:29 AM >>>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Paint weights across multiple envelopes? And symmetry >>>> mapping errors.... >>>> >>>> The problem is...my mesh is already split up into pieces when i was >>>> starting to weight them. The full body mesh doesn't exist anymore, the >>>> hidden faces are already gone. :X >>>> >>>> Also I tried duplicating all the geometry and merging it together >>>> while trying to preserve the existing weighting so I could continue >>>> working on it and then GATOR the weights back to the seperated geo >>>> later, but merging the geo together even while transferring all >>>> attributes seemed to remove the weighting from the character >>>> entirely... >>>> >>>> I'm wondering if I should just bite the bullet and paint the weights >>>> manually at this point via numerical input. It's a pain, but right now >>>> I don't know of any other method that wouldn't be overly troublesome, >>>> short of modeling the hidden polys again and combining them back into >>>> the body mesh. The lack of ability to mirror weights on the head is >>>> going to be a real pain to get the rig to behave symmetrically though. >>>> >>>> Hopefully the paint tools get an update eventually for this sort of >>>> thing...I never even knew painting across multiple meshes was an >>>> issue, no wonder it's recommend to model unibody in XSI. Oh well, >>>> something new every day! :P >>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice all! >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> Siew Yi Liang >>>> >>>> On 2/17/2014 3:14 AM, Greg Maguire wrote: >>>> >>>> This is my preferred method too. ILM had a really cool concept I'd >>>> like to see in Soft. Instead of painting with the radius of a >>>> circle, make the brush three dimensional like a ball. Wings can be >>>> tricky, I generally chop the top or bottom part of a wing off and >>>> Gator everything. However a 3D ball would remove that need. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Mirko Jankovic >>>> <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com <mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You dont even have to merge them, gator will manage just fine for >>>> example: >>>> >>>> paint weigh on full body mesh >>>> >>>> duplicate body mesh and delete all non seen polys, you dont need >>>> them, but you can jstu skip this and just keep full body mesh if >>>> you dont mind having not seen polygons, maybe even better if cloth >>>> materials have sometranslucency >>>> >>>> then GATOR shirt, pants.. any other cloth or prop object. >>>> >>>> It iwill follow full body mehsh just fine >>>> >>>> Tweak here or there if needed but in mosta case it works pretty >>>> fine >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Peter Agg >>>> <peter....@googlemail.com <mailto:peter....@googlemail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, I do as Mirko does for this stuff, the envelope tools are >>>> fairly limited for a lot of this fiddly kind of things. >>>> >>>> If you're merging existing geo together make sure everything is >>>> welded - Polygon Islands are a pain to deal with as well. Ideally >>>> you want some kind of single mesh body-glove for the 'master' >>>> envelope. >>>> >>>> On 17 February 2014 10:34, Mirko Jankovic >>>> <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com <mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not sure how others deal with it but when having character that >>>> will have cltoth weighted and simulated I like to have an mesh >>>> with full body, and then 2nd mesh with only visible parts, hands, >>>> neck, head etc... >>>> >>>> Then painting weights on full body mesh only, GATOR-ing >>>> everything else and then for animationa nd everything els using >>>> only cloth and partialy bodu mesh, and full body mesh is left out >>>> of model not used for anything esle but for painting and GATOR-ing >>>> weights to all other meshes on characters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Siew Yi Liang <soni...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:soni...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, sorry for another silly question, but I've just spent the >>>> better part of 3 hours trying to find a solution: is there >>>> actually a way in XSI to paint across multiple envelopes at the >>>> same time, assuming they have the same deformer influences? I've >>>> been searching around for a way to do so but it doesn't seem like >>>> I can, and the best I can hope for is to GATOR over the points I >>>> want? >>>> >>>> The problem is that I have a character split up into several >>>> parts, so weighting the areas where neck meets shirt, torso meets >>>> pants etc. is a little annoying when I can't paint across them >>>> seamlessly. I've actually never had to deal with this before in >>>> XSI, so I have no idea if this is actually possible? >>>> >>>> Additionally, when trying to create a symmetry mapping template >>>> for a certain geometry, I'm getting: >>>> >>>> Application.CreateSymmetryMappingTemplate("", "", "", "") >>>> # ERROR : 2057-GetSkeleton - Input object is not a skeleton object >>>> - [line 492 in C:\Program Files\Autodesk\Softimage 2013 >>>> SP1\Application\DSScripts\enveloping.vbs] >>>> >>>> The deformers affecting it are just implicit bones, so I'm not >>>> sure what exactly the error is referring to - I tried manually >>>> creating the symmetry template myself and mirroring the weights, >>>> but nothing happened. No error message appeared, but the weights >>>> didn't mirror either. >>>> >>>> The scene file is available at: http://1drv.ms/1cfWE34 , I'd >>>> really appreciate it if anyone has run into this situation before >>>> and could spare a few minutes to take a quick look! The head >>>> geometry is the one giving problems (I thought it might have had >>>> something to do with the ICE facial rig, but I froze those >>>> operators and tried doing the symmetry template again and it still >>>> gave the same issue...) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> >>>> Siew Yi Liang >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize >>>> Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 >>>> g...@inlifesize.com >>>> <mailto:g...@inlifesize.com>|www.inlifesize.com >>>> <http://www.inlifesize.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
