If you factor in unlimited mantra licenses it starts to even out. But it is a big jump from indie to having 2 or 3 full H lics. H Core isn't a bad price though.
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 13:17, Chris Marshall <chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote: > As I'm still on ICE this looks very interesting to me. One hurdle for > switching to Houdini, for us as a very small all round shop, is the cost. > Simple as that. > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 12:29, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> At the moment it's mainly about the various simulation solvers and this >> is the stuff where the graphs are similar between Maya and Max (we were >> only part of the Maya beta so I'm basing my Max comments on conversations >> I've had with Max folk). But the plan is to integrate things like MASH in >> Maya and third party plugins like the Thinkbox and Cebas stuff in Max. This >> will make Bifrost Graph more rounded to each particular audience. >> >> If you take a gander on the Maya Bifrost forum you'll see some early >> rigging compounds being shared that are unique to Maya (to be expected, >> given the typical profile of Maya artists/studios). These give early >> indications as to the manner in which Bifrost Graph visual programming can >> be extended beyond the solvers. But it must be said, at the moment, beyond >> the typical mathematical expression type nodes, the breadth of Bifrost >> Graph's non solver capabilities is thin of the ground. The particles >> options are particularly disappointing at this stage. But I'd expect >> compounds to appear over time from the more technically minded artists in >> the community and these will hopefully make the particles feature-set more >> artist friendly. >> >> It's also worth keeping an eye on the Area downloads section as the >> Bifrost Graph team are sharing beta compounds that are still a work in >> progress. >> >> My biggest gripe with Bifrost Graph in Maya compared to ICE is that ICE >> always felt like a native playground that was a natural extension of the >> Softimage core. In Maya, there's a lot of juggling between the Maya DG and >> Bifrost Graph and it's this that's catching out the less technically minded >> Maya artists. It's less of a problem when sticking with the main solvers >> (which are really great) but when attempting to be more creative beyond >> those solvers, you need a thorough understanding of the Maya DG plumbing. >> >> Having said all that it's easy to forget how much ICE evolved from it's >> inception so I'm confident that Bifrost Graph will grow significantly over >> time. And much like with ICE, there will be artists that utilise the >> compounds that technical artists share in preference to getting their hands >> dirty themselves. >> >> I'm really intrigued by the possibilities of Bifrost in Max as Max's >> plumbing is far more accessible to the less technically minded. Much as the >> Max Creation Graph is slow and clumsy in implementation (it's still >> MaxScript under the hood) the underlying API is ripe for exploitation. In >> many ways Max is closer to Soft than Maya and over the last 4 or 5 release >> cycles the Max development team have made Max a far more nimble environment >> to work in. With the likes of TyFlow, ThinkingParticles and the Thinkbox >> apps, there could be some really interesting integration possibilities. And >> now that ADSK have seen the power of 'Indie' in terms of community building >> (the masterstroke was SideFX's but ADSK had to get there in the end); it's >> possible that Max could start building an audience in new sectors such as >> motion design where independent artists outside of studios are still able >> to punch above their weight. >> >> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 17:26, phil harbath <phil.harb...@jamination.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Does it do non-simulated pointcloud stuff like ICE, I looked it over >>> however, it is different enough that is makes it hard for me to tell. 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