Hi Paco,

I agree with you when IPv4-in-IPvY mode is the standard ds-lite model. I guess 
the extension here means to define a new set of identifiers which can be use by 
the GW (aka B4) for the . It doesn't necessary mean to extend the NAT table.

Best Regards,
Yiu

From: Paco Cortes 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:26:36 +0100
To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Review of I-D 
draft-ietf-softwire-gateway-init-ds-lite-02

Hi,

one more comment:
- Page 4, 1st bullet point in section 4:
This bullet is not always applicable.
If the source IP address has been used as CID, as mentioned several times above 
as a possibility, then this parameter is already in a traditional NAT binding 
entry and no extension is needed for it.
If the softwire technology/implementation used is seen by the AFTR as a logical 
interface, traditional NAT binding entries already include it, so that no 
extension is needed either.
In particular, in the MPLS VPN embodiement described in section 6, NAT 
extensions would not be needed.
A new qualifier part like "depending on the embodiement" should be added to 
this bullet.
Kind regards,
  Paco

2011/3/7 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>

Hi folks

@IETF79 I have been asked to do a review of the above mentioned I-D and that's 
why I had another round of reading this doc (and all the other reviews of this 
I-D that happened during the last weeks).

>From my perspective this I-D is a well written document that extends the 
>applicability of the DS-lite tunnel approach also to the 3G world and other 
>point-to-point tunnel based network access architectures. GI-DS-lite is 
>furthermore referenced within the 3GPP standardization documents as one of the 
>technologies for supporting IPv6 deployment and IPv4 address exhaustion 
>mitigation. That's why I think, that the GI-DS-lite spec is very useful and 
>also needed in communities outside the IETF.

Since the doc is already in a very good shape I've only to add the follwoing 
minor comments (Besides the remarks already posted by Yiu Lee :):
- Page 7 - 2nd bullet point:
       s/can its/can use its/
       s/and IPv4 packet/an IPv4 packet/
- Page 8 - 2nd bullet point: MPLS VPN
       Did I get this right, that your assumption for this tunnel scenario is, 
that there are "point-to-point" MPLS VPN
       links between AFTR and Gateway? (I.e. each VPN contains only one Gateway 
and one AFTR interface.)
       In that case I would suggest:
               s/IPv4 address/IPv4 address of the Gateway/g
- Page 8 - 3rd bullet point - I agree with Yiu Lee's remark that it seems 
useful to clarify the IP-in-IP case and to explicitely describe
       from which IP header (inner/outer, IPv4/IPv6) the address or flow label 
are choosen.
       Perhaps it is also useful to name these cases explicitely "Plain 
IPv4-in-IPvX".

- Page 9 - Chapter 7.1.: Just a question: Since this example call flow seems to 
be only for clarification, would it make sense to shift this to some kind of 
appendix?

- Page 9 - Chapter 7.2: Would it make sense to substitue the word "examples" 
with "Network scenarios"?

>From my point of view this document is (if the above minor changes are 
>applied) ready for the next steps of the RFC process.

So far my 0,02$. Kind regards
Olaf
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