Hi Remi,

Thank you for having the informational meeting of 4rd-u. I can understand 4rd-u 
very much. 

As you mentioned during the informational meeting, 4rd-u defines the new type 
of the translation between IPv4 and IPv6 instead of MAP-E/MAP-T. Also, this new 
type of the translation has no relationship with the mapping rule. Hence, I 
think 4rd-u draft can be changed only to define the new type of the translation 
similar to MAP-E/MAP-T by removing any text related to mapping rule and refer 
to MAP for the mapping rule. In this case, it depends on deployment scenario to 
choose MAP-E, MAP-T or 4rd-u.

Also, as I mentioned during the meeting, I double-checked the current 
implementation of IPv6 stack (Linux/BSD). If implementing 4rd-u, IPv6 stack 
gives received IPv6 packet to 4rd-u module after processing it. But, according 
to the current implementation of IPv6 stack, IPv6 stack totally removes IPv6 
fragment header when IPv6 stack finds IPv6 fragment header and processes it. 

Since 4rd-u module gets the packet after IPv6 stack processes the packet, IPv6 
fragment header is not present when 4rd-u module gets the packet. 4rd-u 
utilizes IPv6 fragment header to carry some of IPv4 information. But all 
information embedded in IPv6 fragment header is disappeared in IPv6 stack 
before 4rd-u module gets the packet. Hence, in order to keep/pass the 
information embedded in IPv6 fragment header to 4rd-u module, I think the 
existing IPv6 stack needs to be changed. 

In terms of MAP-T, IPv6 fragment header is also required but no information is 
embedded in IPv6 fragment header. Also, the current IPv6 implementation can 
give only information if there is a fragment header or not. So, MAP-T can know 
if there is a fragment header or not after IPv6 stack processes the packet 
without any change of the existing IPv6 stack.

I think MAP/4rd-u are transition technology and so it is good to eliminate any 
impact on the existing implementation of IPv6 stack as much as possible.

Thanks,
Tetsuya Murakami

On 2012/03/26, at 11:57, Rémi Després wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> With some co-authors of the 4rd-U proposal, we will hold an informal meeting 
> about it.
> - subject: Clarification on what 4rd-U is designed to do, and how it does it.
> - Participants: whoever is interested in a good understanding of the 4rd-U 
> proposal. 
> - place:  room 204
> - time :  Tuesday 15:15 (duration depending on questions, maximum till 16:30).
> 
> The meeting can be seen as a bar BOF... without drinks in the room.
> 
> See you there if interested,
> RD"
> 
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