Thanks!  I’m interested in solutions that have implementations available, and 
OpenWRT would do nicely

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Gottlieb, Jordan J <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Edward,
> 
> MAP-T (RFC7599) and MAP-E (RFC7577) also address the issues you describe.  
> Both CE MAP variants can be enabled in OpenWRT and can be provisioned 
> manually or through DHCPv6 (RFC7598).  Another excellent manual provisioned 
> implementation is at http://enog.jp/~masakazu/vyatta/map/.  There are several 
> commercial  CE and BR implementations in the pipeline for MAP-T.  
> 
> -Jordan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Softwires [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward Lopez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Softwires] DS-Lite vs. 4rd
> 
> I apologize if this has been thrashed out in the past.  In looking as 
> implementing DS-Lite support, it appears that the need to include an 
> additional tuple of information on the IPv6 B4 address of the CPE is 
> cumbersome to NAT performance and tunnel capacitance, as many HW accelerated 
> NAT engines exist without this extra tuple.  It would appear that by 
> splitting the AFTR into two functions, 4in6 encapsulation & NAT(CGN), we can 
> overcome scaling and performance issues of DS-Lite.
> 
> However, the issue of overlapping endpoint subnets supported internally by 
> the CPE leads to the issue potentially supporting NAT44 on the CPE, to 
> support stateless encapsulation of returning IPv4 packets into IPv6 by the 
> AFTR.  Section 4.2 of RFC-6333 states that CPE devices ‘should not’ perform 
> NAT44, but that’s not the same as a ‘must not’
> 
> But as you craft this solution out, you begin to realize that you are 
> re-creating the majority of 4rd, RFC-7600.  However, 4rd is currently an 
> experimental standard.
> 
> My questions:
> 
> -     Has anyone implemented or considered implementing DS-Lite with CPEs 
> performing NAT44?
> -     Are their plans for this WG to move 4rd into standards track?
> -     Are their any known implementations of 4rd out there for CPE devices 
> (like OpenWRT)?
> 
> Thanks!
> Ed Lopez
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