El 16/12/10 11:12, Henry Jensen dijo: > Thanks for your work. As I see it the main difference between the > Squeeze kernel and Linux-Libre is the ability to load non-free firmware > and as such the very mentioning of non-free firmware files in the > soruce code. > > The Squeeze kernel is still able to load non-free firmware, but it's > not delivered in the main repository (it is in the non-free repo, > AFAIK). > > Linux-Libre isn't able to load non-free firmware, even if you obtain > the non-free firmware files somehow. > > So, it's a matter of attitude. Do we give the user the opportunity to > use non-free software if he wishes to do so, despite the > recommendations, or do we prevent it proactively? > > For example, GNU Icecat doesn't suggest non-free plugins. But Icecat is > still able to load non-free plugins, it is not prevented proactively. > Of course, the main difference is, that non-free software isn't > mentioned in the Icecat source code (at least I assume so, I didn't > check), where non-free software is explicitly mentioned hard-coded in > the source code, so the situation is only slightly comparable. > > Giving the user the ability to use non-free software without any > comment leads to a situation where unexperienced users might be not > knowing what they are doing. For example Debian help forums are full of > advices for novice users to activate the non-free repository. Same goes > for Fedora where novice users are encouraged in forums to integrate > non-official repositories with non-free software. > > To proactively prevent the use of non-free software on the other hand > is censorship. I recall RMS pointing out in an interview that any free > operating system should allow to do anything. I CC him, maybe he has > some thoughts to add. > > Kind regards, > > Henry > > > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) > "Jason Self" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In light of Debian's recent announcement [1] I and others were interested > > in how > > well the Debian folks cleaned up their kernel. I proceeded to grab the > > source > > for the Squeeze kernel, ran the linux-libre deblobbing script on it, and > > then > > diffed it against the original to see what had changed. > > > > The full deblob log [2] & diff [3] is available to anyone that's interested > > in > > knowing. > > > > [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 > > [2] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_deblog_log.txt > > [3] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_diff.txt
I recall this discussion had place a year ago between linux-libre and ututo (I mean between people behind those projects), where your same arguments were used. And IIRC, finally there was a note in the linux-libre site saying that loading nonfree firmware isn't banned anymore. Haven't tested it though, and I can't seem to find it... I'm CCing the lists where the discussion had place. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:[email protected] omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org
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