Erik Hatcher wrote:
> 
> JUL is the substrate that we (Java developers) should be logging to.
> Practically speaking, I'd like the world to look like this:
>    App -> JUL -> Log4J adapter
> 
Agreed.

Erik Hatcher wrote:
> 
> the rant is on the containers not doing the  
> right thing by incorporating (something like) JULI.
> 
Containers {w,sh}ould not have to invent specific and proprietary if JDK
logging specified a way to define LogManager per class-loader; imho, the
rant is squarely on Sun.

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