Hey Mike you forgot to CC the list on this one.

Anyways, I still use outlook on the office computers because as I have
mentioned before it's what all of my clients use and I'm not a hell bent
crusader looking to force people to believe my beliefs.

And yeah, I have heard of netsky.  None of my customers were affected by
it because we run various multiple levels of AV.  I guess your friend
who runs M$ products believe that AV is a myth forced upon then by
capitalists.

The company I work for full time has ~130,000 seats installed and the
netsky virus affected ~10 computers (mostly laptops that they took
home).  

Cheers, 

Gary Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael W.Cocke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:35 AM
To: Gary Smith
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 idiot mail client... :( 

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:22:09 -0800, you wrote:

>With the mentality that you used below I'm sure SA will be dead in two
>years.  To say that all businesses should leave their existing systems
>to abandon something that they have had in place for years would be
>asinine.
>
>Generally small companies (and large for that matter) turn to the MS
>product because of its collaboration features.  I personally use
several
>of them on a daily basis.  
>
>But if you are going to make a personal crusade to get everyone off of
>Outlook then can you give my parents (in their late 50's) and my
>grandmother a crash course on using it.  How about the other 85% of the
>world?  Lets face it the world uses it.
>
>So we can spam tag all legitimate email and then tell them that we
>simply don't give a fu$k because we don't like Microsoft and we're
>hellbent on destroying Bill Gates.  :)
>

Excuse me, but I think you've missed the point, or at least one of
them.  I just spent the last 2 days removing 10,000+ virus infections
from a friends computer.  Netsky.P.  Heard of it?  It's passed via yet
another security hole in Windows, and it depends upon Outhouse to
function.

I have physically removed Outhouse from every computer I've come in
contact with since the year 1998 (despite Microsofts attempts to make
it difficult, it is possible) for that very simple reason.

You can rant about how "everyone uses it" all you want - I submit that
the correct quote should be "everyone who doesn't know better uses it,
until they have to recover from a disaster.".

Sooner or later, and I don't think it will take much longer, the
masses are going to figure out how much running windows has cost them
in terms of lost time and data.


Mike-

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