If you don't want to use the folder / imap option, then you can train bayes
by using the bayes_ignore_header setting in your local.cf. That way
forwarded mail that's been polluted by outlook won't poison the bayes
database against the forwarder.

RO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Whittaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: SA Question


> This is a Crosspost from AmaVis-users, as it's kind of a cross issue
> post, I'll pose the same question here..
>
> Thanks,
> Richard.
>
> Greetings:
>
> I know this may well be OT for the AmaVis list, but I was wondering if
> there was any expertise here that I could draw on...
>
> I'm using Amavis and SpamAssassin (obviously), and I would like to get
> something setup to feed false negatives to sa-learn... Unfortunately
> there's not much I can do with my mail client setup... The only thing I
> can really do is "forward as attachment" when there's a FN...
>
> The "forward as attachment" option produces messages that look like
> this:
>
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Tue May  4 13:09:21 2004
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>         by whfirewall.nwtel.ca (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id
> i44K9LRp008313
>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:09:21
> -0700
> Received: from whfirewall.nwtel.ca ([127.0.0.1])
>  by localhost (whfirewall [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with
> LMTP
>  id 07235-06 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>  Tue,  4 May 2004 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from hobbes.nwtel.ca (hobbes.nwtel.ca [172.16.96.89])
>         by whfirewall.nwtel.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id
> i44K99ea008300
>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:09:09
> -0700
> Received: from WHTHYT-MTA by hobbes.nwtel.ca
>         with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:09:09 -0700
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1
> Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:08:41 -0700
> From: "Richard Whittaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Fwd: anemone
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=__Part1E3FC459.0__="
> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new 20030616-p9 and SA 2.63 at nwtel.ca
>
> This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to
> consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to
> properly handle MIME multipart messages.
>
> --=__Part1E3FC459.0__=
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline
>
>
>
> Richard Whittaker, CISSP
> Whitehorse Systems Manager,
> IS Security Officer
> NorthwesTel Inc.
>
> --=__Part1E3FC459.0__=
> Content-Type: message/rfc822
>
> Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: from whfirewall.nwtel.ca [192.168.90.253]
>         by hobbes.nwtel.ca; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:52:06 -0700
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>         by whfirewall.nwtel.ca (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id
> i44Hq6tT029961
>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 4 May 2004 10:52:06 -0700
> Received: from whfirewall.nwtel.ca ([127.0.0.1])
>  by localhost (whfirewall [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with
> LMTP
>  id 29573-03-2; Tue,  4 May 2004 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from 199.85.228.1 ([219.234.169.251])
>         by whfirewall.nwtel.ca (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id
> i44HpBxh029825;
>         Tue, 4 May 2004 10:51:17 -0700
> X-Message-Info: 509FMR52245RND_UC_CHAR[1-3]io9/HHbewCikRD14cOCit919uVJ
> Received: from plight ([142.200.25.110])
>           by 730ns.hotbed.kinglet.dour.168.com
>           (InterMail vM.4.00.91.80 724-8-1-033-1-12724) with ESMTP
>           id
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>           for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:45:31 -0200
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: anemone
> Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 12:47:31 -0600
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>         boundary="--71261322241384563126"
> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new 20030616-p9 and SA 2.63 at nwtel.ca
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=2.0
> tests=BAYES_01,
>  BIZ_TLD
> X-Spam-Level:
>
> ----71261322241384563126
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
>
> ....junk removed...
>
> ----71261322241384563126--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --=__Part1E3FC459.0__=--
>
> When I run "sa-learn", I believe what's being identified is wrong, and
> will taint my bayseian DB...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/adm# su - amavis -c "sa-learn --spam -D -L --mbox
> /var/spo
> ol/mail/amavis"
>
> ...blah, blah, blah...
>
> debug: Learning Spam
> debug: uri tests: Done uriRE
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *p = "U*RWHITTAKER D*nwtel.ca D*ca"
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *m = " s09795f5 024 hobbes nwtel ca
> "
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *x = "Novell GroupWise Internet
> Agent 6.5.1 "
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *F = "U*RWHITTAKER D*nwtel.ca D*ca"
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for To = "U*amavis D*whfirewall.nwtel.ca
> D*nwtel.ca D*ca"
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for Mime-Version = "1.0"
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *c = "multipart/mixed;   =__
> PHrtHHHHHHHH . H __= "
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *r = "  WHTHYT-MTA by
> hobbes.nwtel.ca   Novell_GroupWise; "
> debug: tokenize: header tokens for *r = "  WHTHYT-MTA by
> hobbes.nwtel.ca   Novell_GroupWise;    hobbes.nwtel.ca (hobbes.nwtel.ca
> [172.16.96]) by whfirewall.nwtel.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "
> debug: bayes: Learned '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Learned from 3 message(s) (3 message(s) examined).
> debug: bayes: 8433 untie-ing
> debug: bayes: 8433 untie-ing db_toks
> debug: bayes: 8433 untie-ing db_seen
> debug: bayes: files locked, now unlocking lock
> debug: unlock: 8433 unlink /usr/share/bayes/.lock
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/adm# ls -l | more
>
> The learner is mis-identifying the message as coming from me (since I
> forwarded it, but I did so as an attachment)...
>
> Is there something I can do to pre-process these messages, and strip
> out the headers from forwarding before sa-learn gets it's hooks into
> it?... Has anyone dealt with this before?... Is there anything I can
> do?... I've looked at the folder/IMAP option, and it's not likely going
> to help me much...
>
> Regards,
> Richard.
>
>
> Richard Whittaker, CISSP
> Whitehorse Systems Manager,
> IS Security Officer
> NorthwesTel Inc.
>
>

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