I just got another message from the same user after moving my
jpsoft_support, email.sparklist.com filtyer to the top.

Just as a test I am going to add a filter just for this user and see if that
catches as I believe the issue is related to the To: address being a
newsgroup.

Thanks

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:53 PM
To: 'douglas cohn'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> directing into Junk Folders.

Are you getting that score from the score column in Outlook or using the
"Show clues for this message"?  If not the latter, what happens if you do
use that?

> I am guessing that the recovery applies to the user and not the list.

Training (recovery) isn't about addresses, it uses the entire content of the
email.  The clues list (as above) shows the information that is used for
training.  Posting a clues list for one of these messages (before training)
to us might help.

> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> newsgroup.

What that means is that SpamBayes couldn't store additional information with
the message (this probably includes the score, too, so that could explain
why the score is always 0%).  If it can't do that, then it falls back on the
default store's inbox.  Is this an IMAP store?  The problem is reasonably
common with IMAP (and is addressed in 1.1a1).

> Also If I click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> another folder.

I'm guessing from the error that the message has already moved, but Outlook
hasn't updated the display.  If you do that and then look in the default
Inbox, is the message there?

=Tony.Meyer

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Combined Score: 0% (3.38979e-012)

Internal ham score (*H*): 1
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Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun Jun 19
	19:44:00 2005
Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by webmail.gothamweb.net
	with SMTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:44:00 -0400
From: Vincent Fatica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
Subject: Re: New Microsoft command shell
Organization: Syracuse University Mathematics
Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:43:11 -0500, "Manuel Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>p.s.  I don't know if this information is still valid, but:  To download a 
>preview of Monad technology go to 
>http://beta.microsoft.com/content/bphome.asp. The GuestID is mshPDC

Huh?  There doesn't seem to be a place to login as a guest.

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--- Begin Message ---
Title: Re: New Microsoft command shell

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:43:11 -0500, "Manuel Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>p.s.  I don't know if this information is still valid, but:  To download a
>preview of Monad technology go to
>http://beta.microsoft.com/content/bphome.asp. The GuestID is mshPDC

Huh?  There doesn't seem to be a place to login as a guest.

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