From: Fred Showker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I would suggest that if you build a FFB (Filter that Fights
Back) that you take great pains to have the filter check to
see if the message it is operating on was a "bounce" message
or a first-pass spam.

The reason for this is that by triggering cascades of
bounce messages (a joe-job), a spammer could easily create
a DoS attack against a website by subverting the actions
of any FFB filter that might recieve the message.

   -Bill Yerazunis


   Greetings Benjamin Han

   Are you associated in any way with a college or university?

   I read the blurb on your product JunkMatcher while preparing my
   Monday column "InfoManager" for the User Group Network.
   (http://www.user-groups.net/info/index.html)

   Since you've released "JunkMatcher" as "freeware"

      > JunkMatcher 1.5.9 (free) now adds SpamBayes, a powerful
      > Bayesian spam filter, to its comprehensive arsenal of
      > spam-fighting tools...

   it occurred to me you might just be the programmer I've been
   looking for.  You obviously have a good handle on programming
   with regards to spam -- and the fact it's "free" tells me
   you're a community-minded person.

   I am interested in providing a substantial grant for the
   development of an FFB providing it is through a school
   or university.

   Let me know.

   Fred Showker

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   Background:

   An "FFB" is a "Filter that Fights Back"

   See: http://www.60-Seconds.com/articles/163.html
   and: http://www.paulgraham.com/ffb.html

   I've been an avid spam fighter and supporter of anti-spam activism
   since before the SpamCop opened his doors.
   See: http://www.user-groups.net/safenet/UCE/index.html
   Many web sites use my "free" anti-spam logos and icons posted
   to the web in the mid-1990s. (see: http://www.Anti-SpamTools.com/)

   So, I approached Paul to refine his "FFB" and sell it to me
   to release into the public domain as FREEware -- for quick and wide
   deployment in the computer community.

   A wide-spread deployment of such a filter would reap huge benefits
   for the anti-spam effort.
   However, he declined $50,000 fearing retribution.

   For obvious reasons, this filter would have to be very carefully
   constructed and tested; with sufficient safeguards built in to
   prevent targeting non-spamming entities.

   After consulting attorneys and legislators on the matter I drafted
   a feasibility study to prove that such a filter would be perfectly
   legal and would actually prevent retribution or litigation from
   any ISP who became thwarted in their spamming activities.  The
   bottom line is:

      > "If a sufficiently large number of computer users initiate a
      > series of requests to the the same IP address at the same time,
      > no single user could be identified or singled out for the
      > purpose of litigation for any resulting denial of service.
      > Furthermore, the software filter itself could not be held
      > responsible since any single source is incapable of producing
      > requests in sufficient quantity to evoke a DOS."

   It's a 'community' problem, so the 'community' is probably the
   only 'best' way to combat it.

   So, I continue my quest for a programmer who is not necessarily
   "profit" motivated
   -- with enough grit to stand up for what is right.
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