Sorry if I was unclear -- you're essentially correct if you use the "GMail" account configuration for your setup, which basically just uses pre-defined iMAP settings. However the "Archive Messages" setting in iOS 4 doesn't just change the button label but allows you to specify how you want Google to actually handle delete requests -- if you set the "Archive Messages" setting to "Off" GMail will not only display a "Delete" prompt again when swiping through messages like it did in iOS 3.x, but it will actually move them to the trash (in essence, remove all labels and add the label "Trash"). In iOS 3.x it would display "Delete" even when it was in fact archiving messages and the user had no way of changing this -- instead if you wanted to actually delete messages from GMail in iOS 3 you needed to configure GMail using a standard IMAP account configuration and setting your Mail app account's Trash folder to the GMail Trash folder/label. An account setup with the pre-defined "GMail" configuration in iOS 3.x would always Archive instead simply because the OS didn't provide you with any way of specifying a folder to use as the "Trash" folder.
Even with a default GMail setup in iOS 3.x, however, you could still delete messages by manually moving them to the Trash in the Mail app. Conversely, even if you've set up GMail in iOS 4.x to delete rather than archive you can still archive messages by moving them to the "All Mail" folder. However, if you're using Google Sync, which uses Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync instead of IMAP, you do not have a choice between the "Delete" and "Archive" options and no way to manually reconfigure this or even override it with a move request. With Google Sync (ActiveSync), "Delete" requests sent from the iPhone are translated to "Archive" requests by GMail itself on the back-end. There is no way to actually delete messages using the iPhone Mail app in this case -- even moving messages to the "Trash" folder manually, which works fine on an IMAP account, does not actually delete them when using the Exchange ActiveSync protocol. This is one of the main reasons why I don't use Google Sync, despite the fact that I would otherwise get push e-mail capabilities with it. The lack of properly-coloured calendars is the other. :) On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM, byron.shaheen <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, the GMail 'archive' feature on iOS 4 has nothing to do with > Google Sync. Apple switched from 'delete' to 'archive' for GMail > accounts on the iPhone because it's actually what is happening. > Whenever you delete an email on Google, it's not actually being > deleted, it's being archived. You can also turn this off on the > iPhone where it says 'delete' like it did pre-iOS4. You can do that > by going to 'Settings' -> 'Mail, Contacts, Calendars' -> 'GMail' (your > Gmail email account on the phone) -> 'Archive Messages'. By turning > 'Archive Messages' off, the phone will show 'delete' again like it did > in iOS 3. > > > -Byron > > --- > Byron Shaheen > [email protected] > http://spanningsync.com > > > > > On Aug 16, 1:15 pm, Jesse David Hollington <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The new Calendar switch for a GMail account is actually a CalDAV sync and > > provides the same basic functionality as setting up CalDAV manually in > iOS > > 3.x would have done (seehttp:// > www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=151674for more > > information). iOS 4 merely provides a switch with your GMail account > > settings to turn this on automatically without having to configure a > > separate entry for Google Calendar. This method does not sync contacts > -- > > only your mail (via IMAP) and your calendar (via CalDAV). This won't > have > > any impact on Spanning Sync at all -- even if you're also syncing with > iCal > > via MobileMe or iTunes, the Google Calendars appear as compeltely > separate > > calendars in your Calendar app on the iPhone. You may end up with a > > duplicate set of calendars on the iPhone if you're also syncing with > iCal, > > but as far as iOS is concerned they're completely separate calendars so > > there's no risk of data being mixed up on the iPhone side of things. > > > > The other option is Google Sync, which is what I think Charlie is > referring > > to since he mentions that he's also syncing contact info. Google Sync > > involves setting up your GMail account as a Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync > > account, rather than using the "GMail" setting. This gives you "Push" for > > your e-mail and can also sync contacts and calendars using the ActiveSync > > protocol -- Google is effectively pretending to be an Exchange server in > > this case. There are a few downsides to this approach: You'll get push > > e-mail but you won't be able to actually *delete* messages -- when you > use > > the delete option on the iPhone, Google Sync translates this to an > archive > > and there is no way to change this. Your calendar colours don't get > > preserved as the ActiveSync protocol doesn't provide any way to set this > > information on the iPhone so the iOS simply assigns the colours randomly, > > and as Charlie already pointed out not all of the contact information > syncs. > > > > Personally, I'm using a hybrid of both approaches: I use MobileMe to > sync > > my Contact information since it matches up the iPhone Contacts and my OS > X > > Address Book perfectly and then I sync my Google Calendar via CalDAV so > that > > I get proper colours for my myriad calendars and use a generic IMAP > account > > to sync my mail, primarily so I can use alternate "From" addresses (the > > default "GMail" account type on iOS doesn't allow for this). The > downside > > is that none of the Google stuff is "push" -- the Calendar and Mail > updates > > every 15 minutes, but that's more than sufficient for my purposes. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM, cwood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Timothy- > > > > > First, thanks. :-) As for Google's over-the-air iPhone sync, I use it > > > myself. It coexists perfectly with Spanning Sync, and while it's a > > > little more limited in the data it syncs (especially some of the more > > > exotic contact fields) the over-the-air convenience is nice. But of > > > course, always back up your data before you change your sync > > > configuration. <cough, spanningbackup.com, cough>. > > > > > -c > > > > > On Aug 16, 9:51 am, Timothy Eustis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > First, I second Damian's comment. The replies we get from the > spanning > > > sync team are good, timely, etc. So ease up on rants. > > > > > > Second, poking around slowly with > > > > OS4 on iPhone, I found that I can turn on Calendars in the Google > account > > > settings on my iPhone. I haven't done it, as I'm deeply afraid of the > > > ramifications. But, I'm curious and it would be convenient. Nice to not > have > > > to wait for Mac to make the sync. Plus, am on holiday so Mac has been > off > > > for a week. > > > > > > Can the Calendars feature on Google Account setting coexist > peacefully > > > with spanning sync or will turning it on wreak havoc on the data? > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone. 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