Good point on the RDF-A. The RDF-A format for the license was implemented several years ago (originally in Ruby). RDF-A is only used for the licenses which already have a JSON implementation. Yev has a proposal to switch to an RDF/XML representation on the web replacing RDF-A which I would like to implement early next year. This would remove the need for the RDF-A library with the possible exception of keeping it around for compatibility reasons. I would like to keep this new RDF representation to enable semantic web queries directly against the license list website.
The current JSON for the license list is generated directly by the tool that generates the license list HTML using json-simple (not through JSON-LD). I consider the JSON generated to be stable and usable (it went through a review process last year and is used by a few different organizations) – let me know if you see any issue. For the SPDX documents, I agree we should consider JSON-LD. Thanks, Gary From: Schuberth, Sebastian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 7:50 AM To: [email protected]; 'Jeremiah Foster' Cc: [email protected]; Steenbergen, Thomas Subject: RE: SPDX Roadmap Ideas for 2017? FYI, Yev already seems to have put some effort into storing SPDX in JSON-LD [1]. Personally, I also find JSON much easier to read and parse than RDF. Also, the RDF-A library [2] used by the SPDX tooling seems to be pretty much a dead project. So maybe consider whether dropping RDF-A in favor of JSON-LD is an option? [1] https://github.com/yevster/spdxtra [2] https://github.com/shellac/java-rdfa/ Regards, Sebastian From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 19:20 To: 'Jeremiah Foster' <[email protected]>; Schuberth, Sebastian <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]; Steenbergen, Thomas <[email protected]> Subject: RE: SPDX Roadmap Ideas for 2017? Hi Jeremiah, I’ve heard quite a bit of interest in JSON format for SPDX. 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On the other hand, if every implementation comes up with slightly different choices for names (or worse, structure), we will not be able to use JSON to interoperate between implementations. It is tempting to implement a JSON converter for the Java SPDX tools (it already converts spreadsheet, tag/value, RDF/XML and outputs HTML), but I think I’ll wait to see how the standardization discussions go first. Gary From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Foster Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 11:27 AM To: Schuberth, Sebastian Cc: [email protected]; Steenbergen, Thomas Subject: Re: SPDX Roadmap Ideas for 2017? On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:17 AM, Schuberth, Sebastian <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Kate, One basic thing I’m missing is an official validator for the tag / value (TV for short) format, supporting different versions of the spec. I know there are tools [1] to convert TV to RDF which can be misused to “validate” TV, but any errors then refer to the converted RDF instead of the original TV. Also, these projects are somewhat heavyweight if all you want is to validate TV. It would be nice to expose such a validator via a simple web frontend, similar to how Travis CI does it for its “.travis.yml” files [2]. I'd like to see this too. My idea was to translate the tagged values into a JSON data object and then produce a web page based on the object. This gives me the opportunity to switch to RDF later, but its not what I'm after. I want to be able to scan a large directory of source code directories, like the Yocto project produces and be able to browse that easily with a web browser. That data is ephemeral since we do lots of builds and our CI is chugging along all the time, the RDF is just too heavy-weight here. I've started work on something called SPDXL which is a perl script to do what I've described. Perhaps there are other ways to do this -- I don't want to reinvent the wheel. We can switch to shell or python if that is preferred but we should find a way to get a tool like this since I suspect more than just you and I will use this. Another more sophisticated tool that would be useful is a graphical TV editor. Something that limits the “degrees of freedom” of plain text to only valid choices, offers drop-downs for known licenses and DocumentRefs, etc. Such a tool would be very useful e.g. for legal councils to add their conclusions / comments to existing TV files without the risk to break the syntax. Sorry, I'm addicted to emacs so can't help here. We’re currently thinking about implementing the TV validator. Anyone interested in joining such an effort is welcome to contact me. 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