here is a question

what would the policies of a non-racist, non-corrupt, but non-imperial nation state government in central europe look like: especially concerning
the syrian refugee crisis ?

bearing in mind that such a government has to be popular with its citizens
and be working for the citizens best interests

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Oliver Grau wrote:


you are right.

German taxpayers now come up with 30-50 Bio. Euro per year for war
refugees (and tolerated illegal migrants from many countries), which is
more then the total defence budget (!) or 2-3 times what the state
invests for education, research and innovation..

Those regime change policies / arab spring movement-wars in Irak,
Libya, Syria.. were started by the US, UK and their allies, like Saudi
Europe should not support those covert war forms.
But politicians like Merkel first deliver weapons and then kill the
German welfare state producing right wing parties in Germany and in
other european states.


heath bunting <> 13.04.2018 12:04 >>>
here in the United Kingdom (UK) [the key partner in the United States
America Empire (USAE)], its seems unfair to expect the Hungarian people
solve the Syrian refugee crisis, which has been caused by the actions
the USAE, while the Hungarian people have had no material benefits from

these conquests

the UK has a long history of imperialism and dealing with both the
benefits and negative effects

on the other hand, i don't see Hungary in this mode

labelling non-imperial nation states as racist or corrupt instead of
attacking the much larger organised criminal network of the USAE seems

the same goes for expecting Swedish people to integrate 100,000s of
Africans - its wrong to denounce them as racist

perhaps of interest

but i would be concentrating on this today

hope all is well

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:


it is weird to read this, but isn't it clear that these things are
and isn't the really worrying thing that hungarians have voted for
(party, leader, and candidates) despite the likelihood of this kind
manipulation of public opinion?

i don't want to sound fatalistic, but the worrying thing is that
telling the truth is still important, it does not seem to make much
of a

ok, yes, we have to keep on telling the truth, searching, telling...

excuse the fatalistic glitch.


Am 13.04.18 um 11:29 schrieb János Sugár:
*Hungarian journalists admit role in forging anti-migrant
'atmosphere of
/Employees of state TV network describe how channels pumped out
pro-government messaging ahead of Victor Orbán's election victory
The journalists believe the anti-migrant messages often come
from the government. People who work on stories directly involving
receive a list of keywords to use. "Sometimes the editor will come
the office on the phone and dictate a whole story to us, word for
We do not know who is on the other end of the phone," said one.

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