--- In [email protected], teemu_tiinanen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "d_j_salvia"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi teemu_tiinanen,
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], teemu_tiinanen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "d_j_salvia"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], teemu_tiinanen
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bob Burton"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I need some advice.  My N-perms are very clunky and they
are the
> > > only
> > > > > > PLLs that I cannot do under 3 seconds.  I hate this case.  Can
> > > anybody
> > > > > > suggest any improvement to what I am doing?  To see how
badly I
> > > > > > perform this algorithm, check out my ("fast") videos:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/videos/pll/pll19.avi
> > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/videos/pll/pll20.avi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ~ Bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Bob
> > > > > 
> > > > > I recommend making z first and then R [(U R' D) (R2 U' R D')]2
> or R'
> > > > > [(U' R D') (R2 U R' D)]2 for the other case. I find these rather
> > fast.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Stefan, Bob, teemu_tiinanen,
> > > > 
> > > > Where QF means turning the whole cube the same way as F, try
> > > > QF (F R' B R2 F' R B') 2 
> > > > and
> > > > QF (B' R D' R2 B R' F) 2 
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > David J
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Those are they same algorithms as the ones I suggested but from a
> > > different position, and you use F and B instead of U and D, which is
> > > much more slower in my opinion.
> > >
> > 
> > Actually those are the same as the two I posted to Stefan a couple of
> > months ago (R U' L U2 R' U L')*2 and it's mirror. Yours are good, but
> > people have different styles. The main difference there between using
> > F and B instead of  U and D is the angle of the left wrist and with F
> > and B you can see what happening.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > David J
> >
> 
> Ah, yes I get it now, those are very nice indeed. I remember when I
> learnt that original (R U' L U2 R' U L')*2 and it's mirror and I
> didn't really like those algorithms. Then I found the version with U
> and D from Twistypuzzles' forum, and it was definitely faster for me.
> Your algorithms looks very promising, so maybe I have to update my
> algorithm repertoire ;)


The important thing is to find algs which suit your hands. If the
version you first posted suits you better then stick with it. 

Generally speaking, if someone has a slow alg the solution might be to
 turn that alg on its ear.

Cheers,

David J 

 








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