I remember at the 2004 us nationals it was quarter turn. I'm sure there is a reason for this, but I personally disagree (never happened to me, I just have different views). They way I think about it is that if we are going to scramble in the half turn metric, then this rule should also be applied in the half turn metric.
That's all, -Evan Until next time, Happy Cubing http://www.deepcube.net On 12/28/05, Gilles van den Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was an issue this year. > I think it should be clarified for next year too > (I have to check the WCA forum, maybe it's already been discussed there) > Gilles. > > 2005/12/28, Anssi Vanhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "If a side is misaligned by more than the above criteria, then that > > side is considered one turn away. If a cube is one turn from > > completion, 2 seconds will be added to the solve time. In all other > > cases, the solve is disqualified." > > QTM or HTM? > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ron van Bruchem" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi friends, > > > > > > I think everything has been said now about extra attempt for pops. > > Thank you > > > all for your input. > > > There is still a majority favoring no extra attempts for pops, > > even for the > > > bigger cubes. In return these cubers get 5 instead of 3 attempts. > > > Let us see what 2006 brings. > > > > > > Stefan, for WC2003 there were no clear regulations about the > > cubing itself. > > > Actually there were a few people (even finalists) getting extra > > attempts for > > > having the last face not correctly aligned. On one occasion there > > was > > > someone getting two extra attempts for the same cube. And each of > > the three > > > scrambles was the same! There was also no limit for pops, so there > > was > > > someone who had 3 pops, and received 3 extra attempts. Another > > thing was > > > that the regulations were very personal, one judge would react > > differently > > > than another judge. > > > We should be happy now that we have good regulations. :-) > > > > > > About the twisted center corner of Masayuki Akimoto. > > > It is my mistake that the twisted center corner for Masayuki for > > his 5x5x5 > > > attempt was not allowed. > > > The judge came to me together with Masayuki, and asked me whether > > it was > > > allowed or not. Even Masayuki said that he would not have a > > problem if it > > > were not allowed. > > > I was in doubt at that moment, so I should have checked the > > regulations. > > > The regulations 2005 say: > > > " > > > All pieces of the puzzle must be ATTACHED to the puzzle for it to > > be solved. > > > If a piece of the puzzle is EJECTED as the puzzle is placed down > > but it is > > > otherwise solved, then the puzzle is not considered to be in a > > solved state. > > > " > > > > > > The piece was attached, but ejected and not in solved position. > > Reading back > > > now I think it should have been allowed. > > > I am glad in the end it did not make much of a difference. > > Although I am not > > > sure whether it was Masayuki's fastest time of the competition and > > thus a > > > Japanese record. > > > > > > My mistake. Sorry. Lesson learnt. > > > > > > About the center corner of 5x5x5 being broken. > > > The regulations 2005 say: > > > "If a non functional part of a puzzle is defect/ejected and the > > puzzle is > > > still unambiguously in a solved state, then the puzzle is > > considered solved, > > > under discretion of the judge." > > > In this case you could consider the flat part of the center corner > > to be a > > > non functional part, because the inner part of the center is still > > in place. > > > If the puzzle is unambiguously in a solved state, so only one of > > the center > > > corners with this problem, then the puzzle should be considered > > solved. > > > > > > Looking forward to more competitions in 2006 in more countries, > > with even > > > more fun. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Per Kristen Fredlund > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:36 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2006 Regulation Revisions > > > > > > > > > Hi ! > > > > > > That's more evidence to keep the current rule, allowing ONE pop. It > > > really is no problem timewise to allow a few ppl one more solve due > > > to (accidental) pop. And ppl can cube faster more relaxed, not > > > having to worry too much about pops. Anyway, i feel this topic > > > is "out-debated". What happens will happen. Unless the WCA board > > > decides that we gonna have a vote or something over it :-) > > > > > > I have written lots here about popping, but still my main concerns > > > are that twisting centers should be allowed and also a single > > broken > > > center (or any single cubie) as long as there is no ambiguity the > > > cube/puzzle is solved. There is no way to benefit from those cube > > > defects :-) > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Lars Petrus > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was imagining some future competition with more attempts, > > > maybe 10 > > > > or > > > > > 20, and every solve counting. > > > > > > > > Ah, ok. Yeah, that would be nice :-). The more solves the better. > > > Uh, > > > > except that more solves require fewer or faster competitors or > > > fewer > > > > rounds... > > > > > > > > > If there were really no pops at all in the latest final, that > > > does > > > > show > > > > > it's not much to worry about, at least for people in that > > level. > > > > > > > > Yes, there really weren't any. And only 2 (declared) pops in the > > > semi > > > > final, i.e. 2 pops in 182 solves (36 competitors). 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