I started with F2L because I think i have the most to gain there, I 
average about 15 sec for the LL so that makes it about 30 for F2L. 
My LL is also a lot more consistant. As far as my memorizing tricks 
goes, for some reason if i auduably remember the turn direction it 
triggers the correct face in my head, so i just think that part and 
the hands do the rest. eventually there is no thinking at all like 
the ones iv been using for a year or more. I tend to have bouts of 
commitment and try to start learning and give up. this time im 
really commited to at least get F2L done and then i can do LL later.
Andrew

--- In [email protected], sander hendrickx 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> if you can keep it up like that you'll know them quite
> fast. i'm wondering why a lot of people start with F2L
> though... i just made sure i could do F2L decent on
> intuïtion and learned just a handfull for hard cases,
> then learned PLL and then OLL. 
> so just wondering... why would one start with the one
> thing that can be done without knowing anything? hmm
> actually, my F2L really sucks currently :p really need
> to work on it.
> 
> and what's that prime prime normal prime prime trick
> you use? tricks for recognition are nice i guess.
> 
> sander
> 
> 






 
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