On Thursday 25 May 2006 21:36, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> Wayne Schlitt wrote:
> > CAs can't tell if a single spammer has registered many different certs
> > under many different aliases.  CAs have a very hard time telling if a
> > single spammer is using many different real people as their aliases.
> > [...]
> > All certificates do is tell you that someone was able to sucessfully
> > have a cert paid for.  Usually with a credit card.  Not aways with
> > their own credit card.
>
> Mostly true, with one theoretical exception.  Governments could issue
> digital certificates together with their regular ID documents, which would
> about guarantee identity, at least with trustworthy governments.  (No, I
> would NOT accept the likely implications such as private key escrow just
> to achieve that kind of "absolute" authenticity.)
>
> > Certs have no more value for basing a reputation on than domain names.
>
> Which once more proves that hierarchical PKIs aren't really much better
> than anarchical webs of trust.  Better to always explicitly define
> yourself whom you want to trust.
>
I don't know if they are better or worse, but they can certainly be more 
painful.  

Actually the US Department of Defense has set up it's own separate PKI 
hierarchy.  I needed one of their certs for some of the work I do.  I had to 
show the same level of documentation, in person, that I would need for a 
passport.  I understand that starting 1 June, at least some parts of DoD are 
going to start rejecting any e-mail that is not S/MIME signed.  We'll see.

While a cert itself might not be useful for reputation, I can see developing a 
reputation system at the CA Cert level.  Some CAs will be more restrictive 
than others.  If a message is signed by a cert issued from a reputable CA, 
then that might mean something.

Scott K

P.S.  Trying to get a non-standard CA root cert to be trusted in Kmail turned 
out to be a really fun exercise in frustration and googling.

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