> I can't tell you how many times in the past week I have been driving in
> traffic, heard an odd drive train noise and began diagnosing it before I
> realized that it came from another car! I think I need to drive the
minivan for
> a while:)

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Tim,
You fail to mention smells/odors, I am always driving along listening and
sniffing the air about me for both of the critters, can this be advanced
stages of a T/R "disease" with no known cure.

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