Rick S. Newton,  Mike Gardner and Jeffrey Dobek were talking about:

Presenting on the computer

>All these experiments are fun to contemplate (I guess) but they divert
>funds and time away from what I value most: railroading and photography. 
> Time I can see as a problem, but money is not.

Time and money are always a problem.  And this is a hobby, remember?

> I have no inspirtion to be purchasing any of the gear I do not already
own
And I have no inspirtion to be purchasing any of the gear that I can't use
for work at this point, however, I have agreed with Jeffrey (hopefully Rick
will help too) to put a small presentation together sometime for the
purpose of a test.  I'm not sure if Jeffrey could walk out of the building
with the necessary gear for a presentation like this, but if so, we can do
the first one at the next St. Louis Area Railroad Photographer's Slide Show
(May 2nd) here in St. Louis (annual show schedule is on the SPORRS
Classifieds Page).

Like I say, the biggest problem is time right now, and I haven't had time
yet this month to update the SPORRS web site images yet, other than all of
that SOTM page work, (which is more time consuming than just adding images
and it always gets zero feedback and comments anyway).  

I'll try to get the images updated this week.  I have some slides as well
as digital files here from some of you that I intend to upload soon, but to
be realistic, I think two or three updates of groups of images a month for
our updates is probably what we will be looking at on the site in the
future.  I will still try to upload individual digital files as soon as I
get them, if they are usable , as long as they are ready to go and don't
need thumbnails (or new thumbnails) and they have enough caption info.   

Back to the presenting on the computer topic:

>Trust me,  I have a lot of faith in the traditional system.  In fact one
of
>my biggest complaints is that by using digital image techniques, we truly
>lose how good a photographer is.  Was his exposure correct, was his focus
>on, how was his composition, etc,etc, all because of digital manipulation.

>Granted, to a certain degree, alterations can be made to image with
>non-electronic means,  but its not what I am driving at.

Good points, but they are currently still two different things.  Like
gallery showings and flyer handouts, but both are useful.  If you wait
until the quality of all things digital is deemed 'acceptable', then by
that point you will be overwhelmed with technology and feel like:

>Why do we keep trying
>to make things harder and more complicated.  Each new "bright idea" raises
>everybody's expectations and then next year the technology has "improved"
and
>you reinvent the wheel all over again.

See what I mean already?

>Well,  at least in my eyes, thats really not what I am trying to
accomplish
>here.  Sometimes a little variety helps break the monotony, make something
>a little more interesting, brings a fresh face to the dance.

Exactly.

> Keep in mind,
>if we're all at it long enough, it WILL become normal.

I question your sanity on this one. :)

>Geez, I wish somebody hadn't already
>taken the name "Grumpy". ;-)

"Cranky" is not taken yet.  Uh..., wait a minute....     :)

Dave Cohen
Photographer
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