On May 30, 2014, at 10:29 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
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>> now my question is: would you bet the farm on that there won't
>> be another episode (i.e. things we haven't considered so far).
>> i won't, given that track record of misguided hopes and believes.
> 
> I am not sure what's the point of that list. If you are stating that
> with hop by hop LSP crafting you have more control - of course you are
> rigth and no one will argue.

point is that LFA and opportunistic path-hunting technologies *always*
have a gap, which was silently ignored up until it comes to deployment.
boom reality check … i am having these 'episode' discussion since
4 years with some of my customers … always putting it off to the
'next release' is not something which was perceived well.

> But do you need such fine art or you are ok with lighter and less
> expensive alternatives.
> 
> Frankly I like control plane based solutions vs data plane .. it is
> just that perhaps we should more focus on making the former much
> easier for operators then they are today.

that and also striving for the right balance between control-plane
and data-plane state. e.g. using automated-RSVP for setting up
facility protection LSPs to all the next-next-hops uses the
RSVP protocol in a range which is *far* away from scaling woes.
one can then use SR label-blocks to get label bindings to
the final destination points. - two MPLS labels (read: no fwd
plane upgrade), 100% coverage. no excessive (T-LDP) sessions.
app 30-50 RSVP sessions even on large scale networks.

/hannes
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