Les, 

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RE: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution






Deccan -
 
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To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
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Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution
 
His Les, 

1) From implementation, because preference algorithm is protocol 
independent, it is better to do conflict resolution at a common place, not 
at individual protocol instance. For example, we can do prefix-conflict 
resolution when generate the preference FIB entry at the common place. For 
a preference FIB entry, the routing information may get from OSPF by 
administrative distance, but the SID information may get from ISIS by 
prefix-conflict algorithm. Then we can do sid-conflict resolution when 
generate the SID-LIB entry according to the above FIB entry and other 
sources, it will select a preference FEC to provide forwarding 
information. 
So, preference algorithm per prefix/fec is enough. Per range is possible, 
but implementation is complex. More complex is for "ignor overlay" per 
range. 

[Les:] Implementation-wise, you are free to implement this in any module 
you like so long as with the same database you come up with the same 
answer as other nodes in the network.
The distinction between “Quarantine” and “Ignore Overlap” is that the 
latter attempts to use those portions of a range which do not have 
conflicts with other entries. The cost of doing so is having to create “
derived entries” which represent those sub-ranges which do/do not have 
conflicts. Due to the added complexity this is NOT the first choice of the 
authors. 
If I were to categorize the two algorithms using your terminology “
Quarantine” would be “per range” while “Ignore Overlap” would be “
per prefix/FEC”. So it is the latter which is more complex to implement.
[Deccan] You are right, as per prefix/FEC is actually to split the 
original range to the smallest ones. My meaning is that there is no range 
idea during conflict process phase at the common place, all is done based 
on the existing data structure per prefix/FEC. Mapping range only appear 
in the individual protocol instance, but it is always to be split to the 
smallest ones, for ra for conflict function.

2) The restrictions in new section "Scope of SR-MPLS SID Conflicts" maybe 
not true. Please just consider "Carrier of Carrier" case which deploy 
IGP+LDP between PE and CE. It is possible to deploy SR LSP in the second 
level carrier, so that an SR LSP is building from one site to another 
across the first level carrier, same as an LDP LSP. This means SIDs 
associated with destinations in Site A will be installed in the forwarding 
plane of routers in Site B. 

[Les:] We have looked at “Carrier of Carrier” and we disagree with your 
conclusion. To reach destinations in Site B from Site A packets will need 
to traverse the PE(s) connected to Site A. What will be installed in the 
forwarding plane of routers in Site A will be labels associated with the 
SID of the PE �C not the SIDs for destinations in Site B. In fact, it is 
possible for destination 1.1.1.1 in Site A to use the same SID as 
destination 2.2.2.2 in Site B. This is discussed in Section 4 of the 
draft.
[Deccan] Sorry, I cannot understand how to fulfill this case yet. IMO, 
packets from site A need contain SIDs for destinations in site B, so that 
packets can forward to the specific destination correctly, the SID of the 
PE can only be used to forward packets to the PE. Although, at the ingress 
node in site A, we can encapsulate SID of the PE again to hide SID of site 
B before sending packets, the ingress node in site A and the PE need still 
see the SID of site B. A node in site A can not ensure it will only act as 
a transit role. Could you explain more?

   Les

Thanks 

Deccan 
 
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