Jeffrey,
Lots of thanks for a detailed response.
You response seems to indicate that the Replication Segment draft defines the 
architectural extensions associated with the new type of segment. If so, it 
does not, from my POV,  introduce them as such in a sufficiently clear and 
unambiguous way.

Please see also some specific comments inline below.

Regards,
Sasha

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From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzh...@juniper.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:04 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>; Greg Mirsky 
<gregimir...@gmail.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ket...@cisco.com>
Cc: John E Drake <jdrake=40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org>; spring@ietf.org; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org; Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net>; <spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org> 
(spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org) <spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Hi Sasha,

Please see zzh> below.

From: Alexander Vainshtein 
<alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:25 AM
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimir...@gmail.com<mailto:gregimir...@gmail.com>>; Ketan 
Talaulikar (ketant) <ket...@cisco.com<mailto:ket...@cisco.com>>
Cc: John E Drake 
<jdrake=40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:jdrake=40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org>>;
 spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>>; 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
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<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Dear colleagues,
I would like to clarify why, from my POV, the Replication Segment introduces in 
this draft requires extensions to SR Architecture as defined in RFC 8402.

1. RFC 8402 states that segments can be global (to an SR Dimain) or local (to a 
single node that instantiates it), and all segments defined in this document 
fall into one of these categories. But Replication Segment is neither local nor 
global: it is instanciated in the Root node and may be instanciated also in the 
Downstream nodes - but not anywhere else in the SR domain.

Zzh> It is intended for instantiation on any node of a replication tree – root, 
leaves, and intermediate replication nodes.
[[Sasha]] Sorry, but I do not see that in the draft. The text in Section 2 says:
<quote>
Replication segment is instantiated at Downstream
nodes and at the Replication node.
<end quote>
I admit that the draft uses the term “Replication Node” and not Root node. But, 
to the best of my understanding, it does not ever mention “intermediate 
replication nodes”.
And in any case segments that are instantiated at some, but not all nodes of 
the SR domain is something that the current SR architecture does not cover.

2. RFC 8402 defines 3 operations on the active segment that a node can perform: 
PUSH, NEXT and CONTINUE. But the operation that is performed by the Root node 
on the Replication Segment is neither. What's more, it is not even clear to me 
which operation is performed on this segment by the Root node for each replica 
of the original packet.

Zzh> On the intermediate replication node[[Sasha]] Please see above , a 
CONTINUE or NEXT [[Sasha]] From my POV this requires some clarification. E.g., 
how does the Replication node differentiate between these two possibilities? 
Can the same Replication Segment be associated with CONTINUE on some branches 
and with NEXT on some other ones? Can a Replication Segment appear in the list 
of SIDs to which a Downstream Node is expanded?.  is done on each replicated 
copy (if the node itself is both a replication node and a leaf node (some 
people call that a bud node), then NEXT is done on one of the copies) [[Sasha]] 
Don’t you think that the bud node deserves more explanation in the draft?
Zzh> On the root node, a PUSH is done on each replicated copy. On the leaf 
node, a NEXT is done.
[[Sasha]] If PUSH is done on each replicated copy, then the Replication Segment 
will be instantiated in each Downstream Node. But the draft does not say that 
this is always so IMHO.
Zzh> The replication-segment draft does not currently explicitly use those 
terms but I see we can/should add them.
[[Sasha]] As I have said already, if the draft introduces extensions to the SR 
architecture as defined in RFC 8402, it SHOULD build on it explicitly.

As Ketan has noted, the SPRING WG Charter states that the WG can define "New 
types of segments mapping to forwarding behaviour (e.g., local
ingress replication, local forwarding resources, a pre-existing
replication structure) if needed for new usages".

And goes on saying that this "may require architectural extensions". Which is 
exactly what I have been looking for - regardless of whether Replication 
Segment is or is not related to multicast.

Zzh> The replication segment draft is intended for architecture extensions so 
that replication/multicast can be achieved, but it only focuses on the basic 
building block (replication segment).
[[Sasha]] This is exactly my problem with the draft: it introduces a new notion 
that is out of scope of the current SR architecture, but does not explicitly 
deal with the required architectural extensions. This makes it very difficult 
to me to reach a clear position with regard to this draft. Architecture 
extensions can be done in this draft, or in another document, but they should 
be done explicitly IMHO.
Zzh> Thanks.
Zzh> Jeffrey

What, if anything, did I miss?

Regards,
Sasha

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________________________________
From: Greg Mirsky <gregimir...@gmail.com<mailto:gregimir...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019, 07:14
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Cc: John E Drake; spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; Alexander 
Vainshtein; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 Robert Raszuk; 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
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Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Hi Ketan,
thank you for your suggestion. As you've pointed out, the draft in discussion 
introduces a new segment type, Replication Segment, to realize p2mp behavior in 
an SR domain. Looking into RFC 8402, I find the following statement regarding 
multicast:
6.  Multicast

   Segment Routing is defined for unicast.  The application of the
   source-route concept to Multicast is not in the scope of this
   document.

Hence, I believe, is the valid question to where the possible impact of 
multicast on the architecture of segment routing should be discussed, described.
I hope that clarifies what has been the topic of discussion on this thread.

Regards,
Greg

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) 
<ket...@cisco.com<mailto:ket...@cisco.com>> wrote:
Hi Greg/Sasha/All,

I really wonder whether we are talking about the same document anymore. The 
subject of this thread is 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-00<https://clicktime.symantec.com/3KY7RjLZXLr1rkewXkXxck56H2?u=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Fclicktime.symantec.com%2F3AvJoi4kZMCSL1EhyDMKMh36H2%3Fu%3Dhttps%2A3A%2A2F%2A2Ftools.ietf.org%2A2Fhtml%2A2Fdraft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-00__%3BJSUlJSU%218WoA6RjC81c%21XO1YXY6DxdOii7owD9drGm0dmL2XORkOEDc7SKBZ1WM9V1-p0ITi7SK3HOz05MDt%24>

It is indeed possible that you and others are referring to some other 
document(s)?

From reading of the draft, one can see that :

·  It does not deal with multicast group joins/receivers or senders

·  It does not build multicast trees

·  It does not talk about multicast flows

·  It simply introduces a new type of segment called Replication Segment (p2mp) 
for a specific local node forwarding behaviour that is in line with the Spring 
Charter (see below)

o New types of segments mapping to forwarding behaviour (e.g., local
ingress replication, local forwarding resources, a pre-existing
replication structure) if needed for new usages.

Can you please take another quick read over the draft with the above context in 
mind? I am positive that you will see that this is not getting multicast work 
in Spring – that is being worked on in other WGs.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: spring <spring-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org>> On 
Behalf Of Greg Mirsky
Sent: 17 November 2019 11:39
To: John E Drake 
<jdrake=40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Cc: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; Alexander Vainshtein 
<alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>>; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>>; 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
(spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>) 
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Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Dear All,
I concur with Sasha and John. Intended ingress replication of a particular 
flow, though using a unicast destination address, is still a multicast.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 5:36 AM John E Drake 
<jdrake=40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40juniper....@dmarc.ietf.org>> 
wrote:
Robert,

As Sasha and I have indicated, your position is your own and is not consistent 
with the majority of work on this topic.  I’m fine w/ agreeing to disagree.

John
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2019, at 2:57 AM, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

John,

> Your claim that ingress replication is not multicast is, at best, a stretch.

I use a very basic and simple rule of thumb ... if address of my packet is a 
multicast address then it is multicast if not it is unicast.

Ref: 
https://www.iana.org/assignments/multicast-addresses/multicast-addresses.xhtml<https://clicktime.symantec.com/3FyMakEGDw4BoNAsgMaGjoa6H2?u=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Fclicktime.symantec.com%2F3De6CReeZywpiq7GCkqUmyN6H2%3Fu%3Dhttps%2A3A%2A2F%2A2Furldefense.com%2A2Fv3%2A2F__https%2A3A%2A2Fwww.iana.org%2A2Fassignments%2A2Fmulticast-addresses%2A2Fmulticast-addresses.xhtml__%2A3B%2A218WoA6RjC81c%2A21QFbPjRVo7hB9622FCxHnivS8PVicSm5TCW9kaF-KRqhC3G7uLL0tCrGUUxL2sAQ%2A24__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU%218WoA6RjC81c%21XO1YXY6DxdOii7owD9drGm0dmL2XORkOEDc7SKBZ1WM9V1-p0ITi7SK3HOQHQk7P%24>

Solution as described in draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment does not 
seems to be requiring multicast addresses hence it is applicable to pure 
unicast networks.

Thx,
Robert.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:20 PM John E Drake 
<jdr...@juniper.net<mailto:jdr...@juniper.net>> wrote:
Robert,

I’m sorry for the confusion.  My only point was that MVPN provides the 
reference architecture for dealing w/ multicast using a multiplicity of tunnel 
types in a consistent manner, as Sasha alluded to in his mention of PMSI.  Your 
claim that ingress replication is not multicast is, at best, a stretch.

Yours Irrespectively,

John



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From: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:55 PM
To: John E Drake <jdr...@juniper.net<mailto:jdr...@juniper.net>>
Cc: Alexander Vainshtein 
<alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>>; 
spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 <spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
(spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>) 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Hi John,

> Further, ingress replication has been part of MVPN since forever.

Just curious how is this at all relevant for this discussion ?

Do I have to roll out MVPN monster to split my unicast UDP stream to few 
receivers at selected network point ?

And last but not least who said this is at all related to "ingress replication" 
??? Ingress to p2mp segment can be at any SR midpoint in the network. Are you 
suggesting to run MVPN apparatus with manual tree building ? Whow :)

Thx,
R.






On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:40 PM John E Drake 
<jdr...@juniper.net<mailto:jdr...@juniper.net>> wrote:
Hi,

I think Sasha has a valid point.  Further, ingress replication has been part of 
MVPN since forever.

Yours Irrespectively,

John



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From: spring <spring-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org>> On 
Behalf Of Alexander Vainshtein
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:26 AM
To: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>>
Cc: spr...@ietf..org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 <spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
(spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>) 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Robert,
Lots of thanks for a prompt response.

You seem to imply that a multicast distribution tree that is built, say, by an 
SDN controller and used, say, to act as a PMSI in the mVPN application, is not 
really a multicast.  Personally I disagree, but this is a matter of taste and 
terminology.

What looks unambiguous to me is that:

  *   The WG charter explicitly mentions ingress replication as one of “new 
types of segments mapping to forwarding behavior” that “may require 
architectural extensions”
  *   The current architecture document does not cover any such segment type 
(whether because such segments have been considered as related to multicast by 
the authors, or for some other reason is not all that important. )
Therefore my concern remains unresolved regardless of whether ingress 
replication is or is not formally considered as multicast.

Regards,
Sasha

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From: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:15 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein 
<alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>>
Cc: <spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>> 
(spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>) 
<spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org<mailto:spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org>>; 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org>;
 spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed 
draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

Sasha,

If I have some content and I send it to you and your neighbour as two unicast 
streams am I suddenly doing multicast ?

IMHO N number of replicated unicasts is still not a multicast.

Multicast in my definition requires  multicast groups, receiver joins, tree 
building protocols etc ... and this draft does not suggest any of this. IN 
contrast it just describes how can we have p2mp unicast distribution ... call 
it fan out node.

Thx,
R.





On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:42 PM Alexander Vainshtein 
<alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>> 
wrote:

Hi all,

I have a question regarding adoption of 
draft-voyer-sr-spring-replication-segment as a SPRING WG document.



These concerns are based on the following:

1.       This draft (both based on its title and on its content) deals with 
local (in the Root node) ingress replication which, in its turn, is one of the 
issues that could be used for delivery of multicast.

2.       Local ingress replication is mentioned in the SPRING WG Charter as one 
of the “New types of segments mapping to forwarding behavior”. The charter 
further says that “Any of the above <Sasha: New types of segments> may require 
architectural extensions”

3.       The current (and, AFAIK, the only existing) Segment Routing 
Architecture document (RFC 
8402<https://clicktime.symantec.com/3N81UkhX23XoNwsjuzVd3zR6H2?u=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Fclicktime.symantec.com%2F3RCcYJTQUoix9rL8CmszPQ16H2%3Fu%3Dhttps%2A3A%2A2F%2A2Furldefense.com%2A2Fv3%2A2F__https%2A3A%2A2Fclicktime.symantec.com%2A2F34qM9QogJnh1eY5nZPXYAkA6H2%2A3Fu%2A3Dhttps%2A2A3A%2A2A2F%2A2A2Ftools.ietf.org%2A2A2Fhtml%2A2A2Frfc8402__%2A3BJSUlJSU%2A218WoA6RjC81c%2A21TeDGZsCZsxVU3U1A-_hQaYhZsmLZFF4oF-lGSpNnOmTa-zUl6jfGkGEUOvwkLSU%2A24__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ%218WoA6RjC81c%21XO1YXY6DxdOii7owD9drGm0dmL2XORkOEDc7SKBZ1WM9V1-p0ITi7SK3HCjtMYud%24>)
 explicitly states in Section 6 that “Segment Routing is defined for unicast. 
The application of the source-route concept to Multicast is not in the scope of 
this document”.

The combinations of observations above strongly suggests to me that a document 
defining multicast-related extensions of segment routing architecture should be 
very useful (if not mandatory) for progressing the Replication Segment draft. 
From my POV the Replication Segment draft is not (and is not intended to be) 
such a document.



I wonder if there is an intention to produce such a document in the timeframe 
that could be relevant for discussion of the Replication Segment draft.



Nothing in this message should be interpreted as my objection to (or support 
of) adoption of the Replication Segment draft as a WG document per se.

Bit I find it difficult to take a position any which way without a clear and 
commonly agreed upon framework for multicast in segment routing.



Regards,

Sasha



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The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state 
Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Bruno Decraene)



The document is available at

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IPR call:

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