Jim In a perfect world that might be the case but in actuality, the majority of bid projects come with a line on some architectural plan that says "Provide sprinkler protection per NFPA 13 for our highly experimental, top secret, intergalactic, space fuel project" and that's all you get.
What you mean there isn't a section in NFPA 13 dealing with that? ;) Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Davidson Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage Greg In most areas the AHJ has required the building owner/developer to have a fire protection engineering analysis done for the PODs storage configuration. This analysis needs to address as a minimum the storage configuration, fuel loads, building's construction, exterior access, proposed sprinkler system design, area of operation, smoke and heat venting and capabilities/ability of the local fire department(s) to provide manual fire suppression for the PODs storage. A good building owner/developer does not leave the design of this type of storage configuration to the "low bid" design during the bid process method. It might be a good idea to try to "educate" the owner/developer or GC/CM now rather than later in the form of change orders. Have a fire safe day. Jim Davidson Davidson Associates 302-378-7600 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage Not yet, It is hard to pay an engineer to help you bid a job and then someone else can use the criteria you paid for. Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage Yeah I know. This is why you didn't see a solution from the last time. Please consider Mr. Joe's words as well. Not everything falls in the scope of 13. Is there an engineer involved at all? Might be a good time to make one of those folks earn their $$. Matt -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage The formal restrictions are what you would expect: No flammable liquids, hazardous materials, explosives and blah blah blah. I know there is the possibility of dangerous stuff but I do believe the majority of the stuff in the containers is going to be normal household items that are either in transit or in temporary storage while a home is being built, etc. My primary concern is the plastic roofs and the foam inside (mattresses, sofas, etc.) and the fact that if the fire starts on the bottom level that the water will not be able to penetrate the upper PODs. Maybe if we provide enough water we could at least shield the adjacent pods and contain the fire? Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage If I recall the last time we discussed this, it was the "other" stuff that can be placed in the PODS that make a big IF appear on the horizon. I know you can't design to "if" but... Has anyone set fire on these yet since our last discussion? Matt -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - work Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: POD Storage Greg, From what I can tell, this would essentially be container storage. It could be worthwhile to find out who they are marketing to to figure out what might show up. If they are marketing to primarily individuals, the chances of their being a POD of rubber tires would be slim. Does the company have any restrictions on contents? You also might want to pursue the 'container storage' thread on a commercial level and see what is out there. There may be some government info on that subject. This is something could be coming to everyone's jurisdiction at some point. I'd be interested to know what you find out. At 07:21 AM 1/18/2007, you wrote: >Is there no help from the forum on this one?! > >The guy has to protect the building and the one thing I am absolutely >sure about is that we will not be putting sprinklers inside the PODs themselves. > >Other than that it is in the air - water - foam? > >Has there been any recorded fires in these facilities that someone has >knowledge or experience with? > >ANY input is appreciated. >Greg >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC >1160 McKenzie Road >Cantonment, FL 32533 >850-937-1850 >Fax: 850-937-1852 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew J. >Willis >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:39 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: POD Storage > >Take a break from it, ,buy us all a beer, and we will see what we come >up with. > >Matt > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg >McGahan >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: POD Storage > >I know this has been addressed but I did not see any conclusions in >forum archives. > >PODs stored 3 high: approximately 27' with a 30' eave height in the >building. I truly do not know where to start with this one. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Greg > >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC >1160 McKenzie Road >Cantonment, FL 32533 >850-937-1850 >Fax: 850-937-1852 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. 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