Yes - I use his pricer program & like it. Easy to use and quick.

Jim Sutherland
DeMaranville Installations
1510 NW 101st Street
Des Moines, IA 50325
515/225-8598
Fax: 515/225-9796

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
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Has anyone used any of the programs that are offered from Tim Frost?  (I
know he does not offer a design program)
Thank you in advance for your inputs.
Kathryn 

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Design software

We also use HydraCad.  We have used two other systems mentioned in this
string and find Hydra Cad to be the best but its really dependent on what
you use day in and day out.  Whatever a designer becomes familiar with is
certainly going to be the "best".
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Subject: RE: Design software


Craig,

HydraCAD is the absolute easiest about moving nodes, pipe text, fab tags,
etc.  IMHO HydraCAD far exceeds autosprink in the text cleanup area. 

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How about with HydraCad? 


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Design software

I would say with AutoSPRINK it's the operator. I can move text, nodes, and
fabrication tags anywhere.

Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS
Burtell Fire Protection, Inc.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Design software

Question for the automated package users..... 

I have been told by several contracts that they can not manipulate where the
program places text, nodes and other type information on the drawings.  This
has often resulted in some pretty crappy looking drawings and drawings that
are hard to review, especially when text is
stacked on top of each other to create a blob on the drawings.   Now I
don't' know if it's really the software or just careless cad operators
(notice I'm not using the term "designer" here).   Seems that more
companies are using less skilled designers and just using cad drafters to
produce layouts.  Cheaper labor but a poor product if design is the product
you sell.

Also had the same issue with the automated calcs.  The logic of order just
didn't exist.  Going from a node in the middle of the system to another
somewhere else and another somewhere else with no rhyme or reason makes for
a miserably tedious review.  


So the question is, is the problem in the software or the operators?


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lg.com


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