Ron,

Am I to take it then I am not actually a sprinkler layout technician but instead a slight moral defect.

Richard MOTE
Engineering Technician


----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Greenman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Gridded Dry System


This should put an end to this :-)

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Mote \Mote\, v.
  See 1st Mot. [Obs.] --Chaucer.
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From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Mote \Mote\, n. [See Moot, a meeting.] [Obs., except in a few
  combinations or phrases.]
  1. A meeting of persons for discussion; as, a wardmote in the
     city of London.
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  2. A body of persons who meet for discussion, esp. about the
     management of affairs; as, a folkmote.
     [1913 Webster]

  3. A place of meeting for discussion.
     [1913 Webster]

  Mote bell, the bell rung to summon to a mote. [Obs.]
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From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Mote \Mote\, n.
  The flourish sounded on a horn by a huntsman. See Mot, n.,
  3, and Mort. --Chaucer.
  [1913 Webster]

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From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Mote \Mote\, n. [OE. mot, AS. mot.]
  A small particle, as of floating dust; anything proverbially
  small; a speck.
  [1913 Webster]

        The little motes in the sun do ever stir, though there
        be no wind.                              --Bacon.
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        We are motes in the midst of generations. --Landor.
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From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Mot \Mot\ (m[=o]t), v. [Sing. pres. ind. Mot, Mote, Moot
  (m[=o]t), pl. Mot, Mote, Moote, pres. subj. Mote;
  imp. Moste.] [See Must, v.] [Obs.]
  May; must; might.
  [1913 Webster]

        He moot as well say one word as another  --Chaucer.
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        The wordes mote be cousin to the deed.   --Chaucer.
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        Men moot [i.e., one only] give silver to the poore
        freres.                                  --Chaucer.
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  So mote it be, so be it; amen; -- a phrase in some rituals,
     as that of the Freemasons.
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From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:

Moot \Moot\, n. [AS. m[=o]t, gem[=o]t, a meeting; -- usually in
  comp.] [Written also mote.]
  1. A meeting for discussion and deliberation; esp., a meeting
     of the people of a village or district, in Anglo-Saxon
     times, for the discussion and settlement of matters of
     common interest; -- usually in composition; as, folk-moot.
     --J. R. Green.
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  2. [From Moot, v.] A discussion or debate; especially, a
     discussion of fictitious causes by way of practice.
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           The pleading used in courts and chancery called
           moots.                                --Sir T.
                                                 Elyot.
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  Moot case, a case or question to be mooted; a disputable
     case; an unsettled question. --Dryden.

  Moot court, a mock court, such as is held by students of
     law for practicing the conduct of law cases.

  Moot point, a point or question to be debated; a doubtful
     question.

  to make moot v. t. to render moot[2]; to moot[3].
     [1913 Webster +PJC]

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From WordNet (r) 2.0:

mote
    n : (nontechnical usage) a tiny piece of anything [syn: atom,
        molecule, particle, corpuscle, speck]

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From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0:

128 Moby Thesaurus words for "mote":
  ace, acropolis, air, atom, bastion, beachhead, bit, black sheep,
  blemish, blockhouse, bridgehead, bubble, bunker, castle, chaff,
  chip, citadel, cobweb, cork, crumb, dab, dole, donjon, dot, down,
  dram, dribble, driblet, drop, droplet, dust, dwarf, ether, fairy,
  farthing, fasthold, fastness, feather, fleck, flue, fluff,
  flyspeck, foam, foreign body, foreign intruder, fort, fortress,
  fragment, froth, fuzz, garrison, garrison house, gnat, gobbet,
  gossamer, grain, granule, groat, hair, handful, hold, impurity,
  intruder, iota, jot, keep, little, little bit, martello,
  martello tower, microbe, microorganism, midge, minim, minimum,
  minutia, minutiae, misfit, mite, modicum, molecule, monkey wrench,
  motte, nutshell, oddball, ounce, particle, pebble, peel,
  peel tower, pillbox, pinch, pinhead, pinpoint, pittance, point,
  post, rath, safehold, scrap, scruple, sliver, smidgen, smitch,
  snip, snippet, speck, splinter, sponge, spoonful, spot, spume,
  stone, straw, strong point, stronghold, thimbleful, thistledown,
  tiny bit, tittle, tower, tower of strength, trifling amount,
  trivia, vanishing point, ward, weed, whit



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From Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary:

Mote
  (Gr. karphos, something dry, hence a particle of wood or chaff,
  etc.). A slight moral defect is likened to a mote (Matt. 7:3-5;
  Luke 6:41, 42).



On 3/7/07, Thom McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Moot right that's a point of interest, Mote is a designer/layout tech. and
Moots is a very high quality bicycle they make across the street.
Confused as usual. Thanks George!
Back to the 1985 Grid dry system, If they used QR or FR heads NFPA 25 say's its time to start sample testing those! Maybe a C.O. you might have missed?
Or if there are any Dry heads they're more than 10 years past due for
testing.

Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Gridded Dry System


> Um, Thom, it's MOOT. Mote (Richard) is a designer extraordinaire here.
> Oh, sorry- Engineering Technician Extraordinaire.
>
> But that's not why I wrote- Here in PA we were under the '81 code until
> 2004. Without an understanding AHJ we didn't have ESFR, Residential, > and
> darn I lost my opportunity to install a last couple dry grids.
>
> As everyone else opens up their 2007 #13's, we get to open the '02 > version > that kicked in 1/1/07 here in PA. On the plus side, we can buy our > copies
> used, and the Errata are usually cleaned up by the time we need that
> edition.
>
> So what's in widespread use nationwide and what applies to a particular
> project are two way different things- and that's not even bringing the
> military into it!
>
> glc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom
> McMahon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:52 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Gridded Dry System
>
> The other side of this "Sticky" question is what code the AHj was using > at
> the time the design/layout and installation were approved. In 1985, it
> could
>
> have been a much older version of 13. (This is Mote, with David's info
> below
>
> but always worth remembering.)
> The follow up is always "It was approved by the AHJ" at the time, so > did
> they knowingly make an AHJ allowed "Exception" or simply miss it in
> review?
> If review was even required?
>
> Every "OLD" system seems to create as many questions as opportunities.
>
> Thom McMahon
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
> Tel: 970-879-7952
> Fax: 970-879-7926
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Autry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:46 AM
> Subject: RE: Gridded Dry System
>
>
>
>
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