George, Another alternative is to do an ESFR convertible system. Size the pipe for K whatever ESFR's and install K8's or something else. This would seem a good investment for future changes in use given the building height.
Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: ESFR in Mfg Ed Zachary the reasoning, IBC exception for vents. However, I am forwarding over Joe's comments to the Owner so we can discuss further. I'd be surprised if we end up with a round peg, they're pretty good about doing it right and re-sale value isn't something that would otherwise enter into the decision on the side of ESFR throughout. We ARE including flow of extra ESFR in our prelims, but I think what Joe is saying is that the RIGHT thing to do would be vents for protection of product, OH2 or sim for the manufacturing, and limit the ESFR to where racks will be and MAY reasonably be projected to be in future. The UG is running around a future expansion that is about another 60% of the proposed new building, so some projections of rack expansion would be prudent. Thom, there's not much in the plant WRT conveyors or extrusion lines except a dust collection system that leads to a baghouse outside; they plan to route that halfway between our ESFRs as much as possible. Let me know when I'm beyond the prescriptive remedies in #13 so I don't practice engrg without a learner's permit:) glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ESFR in Mfg My cut and paste apparently faded away between sending and arriving on the Forum. Exception (2) to the requirement for venst basicaly says portions of the building using ESFR do not have to have vents. Roland On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Roland Huggins wrote: > An Exception under IBC 910.1 Smoke and Heat Vents > > Roland > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Thom McMahon wrote: > >> Just wondering why ESFR heads throughout? Why not use something like >> the EC-25 in the MFG areas, and the ESFR in the storage areas? >> If its MFG, what are your plans under the conveyors or extrusion >> lines? >> >> Thom McMahon >> Firetech, Inc. >> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr >> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 >> Tel: 970-879-7952 >> Fax: 970-879-7926 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:40 PM >> Subject: ESFR in Mfg >> >> >>> We're raising our heads out of the sand of being spkr guys and >>> bidding a manufacturing building (wood and vinyl building products) >>> as ESFR since this eliminates the need for heat and smoke vents, >>> thus more than compensating for the increased cost over OH 2 thru >>> most of the building. There will be some rack storage, but mostly >>> manufacturing. >>> >>> Without the large fire plume usually associated with rack storage >>> being absent cause a problem with activation of the ESFR? 40' roof, >>> maybe slightly higher (yes, expensive couple of feet possible >>> requiring K25's) >>> >>> Owner is self-insured, generally risk aversive, the now rare breed >>> that actually wants it done "correctly" although money is not to be >>> ignored. >>> We'd like to advise if this could present problems with adequate >>> protection levels. I know this was touched on briefly, but its one >>> of those weird eves when email works but internet doesn't. maybe its >>> on strike in sympathy? >>> >>> George L. 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