That is correct, but we are looking to the future on the 13r and 13 buildings.
Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - work Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential Greg, The exclusion in 13D does not make mention of a thermal barrier, but it does in 13R and 13. (2002 versions) Todd. At 08:44 AM 4/27/2007, you wrote: >Dale, > >We are actually working on a 13d system and he let it slide. But when he >explained his decision and reasoning I HAD to get in to it to see if he was >correct on a broader scale. I think he is wrong but I see his reasoning. > >For those interested - His reasoning is based on 8.15.8.1.1 which states >that bathrooms do not require sprinklers that do not exceed 55 sq ft, AND >that have walls and ceilings of noncombustible or limited-combustible >materials with a 15 minute thermal barrier rating. > >The he defines thermal barrier in 3.3.18 and determines from this that there >must be a rated door there to meet the criteria. > >Thanks, >Greg > >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC >1160 McKenzie Road >Cantonment, FL 32533 >850-937-1850 >Fax: 850-937-1852 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Wingard >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:17 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential > >You're right. > >Our overall relationship with this FM is good, we did in our case just >ate heads and went on. >If enough contractors approach him in this argument, maybe he will see >the light. >We wish Greg the best of luck in this round. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PCE >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:05 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: bathrooms in 13 residential > >Dale, > >Let's try that again. > >Don't feel bad. I've a badge thumper out here who claims that the >"least dimension" in a closet should be measured from the face of the >wall to the outside, yes, I said outside, of the closet door. > >Sometimes, you simply have to shake your head, and just do what they >want. > >I sure wish it were otherwise. >PARSLEY CONSULTING >Ken Wagoner, SET >760.745.6181 voice >760.745.0537 fax >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> e-mail >www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website > > > > >Dale Wingard wrote: > > There is no written local amendment just his interruption. > > He's the FM so you could take it to the FC. > > > > We even gave him a copy of ASFA's Informal Interruption, he still > > would not accept it. > > > > Dale F. Wingard, CET > > Senior Designer > > Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc. > > 251.649.2034 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George > > Church > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential > > > > a) Does he have a local amendment adding this requirement? > > b) Does he have a boss? > > > > glc > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale > > Wingard > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:05 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential > > > > Understand. We have already been down that road with him, bottom > > line, he wants the head. If you read the definitions for bathroom and > > > compartment in NFPA 13, you will see that it is very clear that they > > are separate rooms. We were not able to get him to accept it even > > when we showed him what was in black and white. > > Good luck, > > > > Dale F. Wingard, CET > > Senior Designer > > Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc. > > 251.649.2034 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > > McGahan > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:45 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential > > > > I am talking to Orange Beach. However, I want to know the TRUTH > > regardless of what TP requires. He is hung up on the "required level > > of protection" > > statement. Where do we define this level? > > > > If it is an AHJ call then I understand. If it is written then we have > > a discussion point. > > Greg > > > > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > > 1160 McKenzie Road > > Cantonment, FL 32533 > > 850-937-1850 > > Fax: 850-937-1852 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale > > Wingard > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:38 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential > > > > Greg, > > > > A compartment only requires a minimum of 8" lintel, it can have a > > cased opening. > > However, if you are talking about Orange Beach, then you will have to > > add the head. > > > > > > Dale F. Wingard, CET > > Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc. > > 251.649.2034 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > > McGahan > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:42 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: bathrooms in 13 residential > > > > > > > > NFPA #13 2007 edition > > > > A.3.3.2 Bathroom. A room is still considered a bathroom if it contains > > > just a toilet. Additionally, two bathrooms can be adjacent to each > > other and are considered separate rooms, provided they are enclosed > > with the required level of construction. > > > > I have an AHJ that is stating that this excerpt from NFPA #13 is > > requiring a toilet room to have 20 minute walls to be considered a > > separate room with a UL listed door. > > > > Has anyone researched this? Is this the intent in 13? > > > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > > 1160 McKenzie Road > > Cantonment, FL 32533 > > 850-937-1850 > > Fax: 850-937-1852 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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