Yeah... Especially the part about the "divert some of the stash of gold" part.
Care to elaborate :-)? (Off forum to my personal e-mail address of course!) Ray Vance Chief Engineering Tech. Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. www.waynefire.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Minkel Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:28 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: BooBoo It was an interesting story tho. Bill Minkel, Designer Western States F.P., Dallas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Vining Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: BooBoo Sorry about that. Pushed the wrong button [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Vining 4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ed Vining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:30:38 AM Subject: Re: in or outside dwelling unit? Your poor children have been misinformed. The B17a were flown by the air force. They were the enemy. Our planes were Navy PB4Y2s, a bigger, single tailed version of the B24. The reason we didn't like the air force was that they took over our field at Yontan Okinawa. We could no longer do as we pleased on the strip. One day two of our planes wiped out a factory across the river from a town, dropped the bridge, and closed a railroad tunnel. The air force had a fifty plane raid scheduled for the town the nest day. We were then prohibited from hitting any land targets. I had lunch in a Japanese restaurant in SF one day, and talked with the waitress. Turned out she was from that town, and remembered the incident. Our guys probably saved her life. I can't seem to stimulate any NPS business, and may have to divert some of the stash of gold to other uses this year. ----- Original Message ---- From: George Church <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:42:24 AM Subject: RE: in or outside dwelling unit? Not if its all one dwelling unit....... I'd guess they'd leave their stuff in their bedrooms if they were staying all year. Voluntary systems to meet the college's internal requirements, not code driven (retrofit of existing). Would be the same situation if seniors went to FL for winter, and crammed everything in the den so the other carpets could be shampooed in their absence. We wouldn't bat an eye about that, would we? It'd be residential. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: in or outside dwelling unit? George, The only potential problem I could see is the part of the basement that is used for storage. Are the apartments occupied 12 months or just during the school year? If they are shut down for the summer and the students cram all their stuff in the basement storage area, would this be an issue? Todd At 05:59 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >Ok, I started my day by perusing the Archives, couldn't find the answer >to this. See what I mean about not needing a life if you're in this business? > >Student housing in row homes. >Each building is a single apt with 3 or 4 bedrooms, common kitchen, >living and dining room, basement has laundry and an area to be used for storage. >If you're a renter in this apartment, you have unrestricted access to >the entire building, unless there's a tie on the doorknob. > >Due to unrelated students co-habitating, this falls under 13R (PA UCC >is based on '03 IBC); if it were a single family living there, it'd be 13D. >Stored water, #20 pump will be sole supply, central station. > >Any reason the basement would not be considered part of the Dwelling Unit? >13R definition includes common kitchen and sanitary facilities; >wouldn't laundry count as part of sanitary facilities? >Standard residential laundry W/D. > >The intent of 13R dwelling unit definition is obviously NOT to draw the line >at a bedroom door; so if it isn't at the bedroom door, it'll include >the halls, shared bathrooms, kitchen, LR/DR, and no wording remotely >suggests the door in the kitchen that leads to the basement should be >rated assembly or is a delineation between dwelling unit and "area >outside dwelling unit". > >The basements contain 4 to 6 heads and flowing them all at .15 for >tenant storage OH1 has a dramatic impact on pump and tank sizing, since >rest of MRA >is only 2 heads due to how cut-up the buildings are. > >It is NOT the same parameters as walking out of your apt in Sr Housing, >taking the elevator to the basement, and entering the separate Tenant >Storage with chicken wire cubicles. That's OH1 (since ceilings rarely exceed >8') Tenant Storage since the apt door is the line between inside and outside >the dwelling unit. > >Anyone differ that the entire house is inside the dwelling unit? > >George Church >Rowe Sprinkler > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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