We've had a couple of e-mail exchanges and the gist of the matter is the
systems he designed were done back in that era.  From what he described
as his NEW system, it is basically similar to the 13D/13R type systems
we have today.  Small piping, few heads calculated and small riser size.
He actually performed a hydraulic analysis for the piping network which
was gridded.  While the norm for the period was pipe schedule tree
systems, his system used a lot of 3/4 - 1" copper pipe.  Thus his
reference to the plumbing installers.  Of course this system was in line
with any other water system plumbers were installing.  He supposedly did
some field testing and it met "some" criteria but the big, ugly
NFPA/UL/FM Code ogres were there to discredit him and run him out of
business no matter where he went.

If it wasn't for the bitterness and psycho-conspiracy babble, some of
his information probably was legit.  But at that time in history who was
sprinkling houses and light hazard occupancies?  Probably few.  He did
not specify what type of heads were used only that they were spaced on
20x20 centers.  He also believed that any fire could be extinguished or
controlled by only one head with far less water than what the NFPA
standards were calling for.  The big problem with ant of his information
is that it is out of date.  20-30 year old issues are non-issues today.
The other issue is that he never considered or appeared to address
occupancies beyond residential or what he considered Light or
Extra-Light Hazard.  

It is just hard to read past all the conspiracy jargon and some gross
errors.  He also never noted any references of where he got his
information, and besides that, for a professional paper, needed spell
check really bad.

Definitely not a guy who could stand to play by the rules, he designed
and installed non-code compliant systems in various states.  His view
was that when he was found installing these state-of-the-art, low cost
systems that the Sprinkler Police would seek him out and force him out
of business.  Actually he probably got caught and his business license
revoked so he would just pick up the show and move elsewhere.



Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
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PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Cahill
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Wow

Well I have the report or to say an article from Hospitals Feb 1, 1977
published by the American Hospital Association - No the date is not a
typo.

So the date is the first things that jumps out so pricing needs to be
dated.


It's written by Patton and the Director of the Division of Architectural
Services for the State of Kansas.  

It describes a very large hospital not unlike we'd think today.  

The article is scarce on detail we could "learn" from.  To that end here
are some interesting items.

I paraphrase "Most industries face double inflation...labor and
materials are expected....for the past 10 years new safety regs have
been added...So a smoke detector costs more and more of them are
required...double inflation."

Or perhaps those setting the budget didn't keep up with the times, sound
familiar today?

I paraphrase again "After being 10 mill over budget on a $50 mill
project (in 1977 dollars) the State Arch investigated other facilities
for ideas....hired FPE (Patton)...substituted new sprinklers for
conventional sprinkler systems...smaller pipe saved money...also
provided composite safety plan."

I was riding BMX bikes and playing Little League in 1977 anyone have an
idea on what new vs. conventional means.  EC I don't think existed.  I
don't think old style vs spray style was the issue.  Could mean pipe
schedule vs.
calcs to trim pipe size?  Any ideas?  But see below sounds hard to
believe the cost of smaller pipe saved that much when at least today
labor is the expensive part.  

Continuing "sprinkler primary safety tool...eliminated excessive fire
protection...fire proofing...alarms....others were modified.."

"Basement only standard sprinkles in original bid...$403,000, 140,000
sq.
ft. (in 1977 dollars)....new sprinklers throughout $431,136, 850,000
sq.ft.
(I don't know if that includes the bsmt or not) plus saving on all other
fire items....$5 mill total savings to project."  

Even back then sounds like someone really screwed up in the specifying
the first time around.  Overall I'd say it's very pro sprinkler,
especially for the time.  Further considering the time it's perhaps an
early example of performance based design, alternate methods which
really saved the big portion of the money.  Although, I still have
doubts about the sprinkler
costs above.   

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Cahill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:40 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Wow

I have one coming as well.  Note he said it was DESIGNED for $0.35.  I'm
sure he meant designed and installed but on face value that's not what
was written.  Of course it doesn't say what year either.  Maybe in
1950's dollars when you really needed 4 heads in a 16'x16'room because
the EC technology wasn't around. 

We'll see.

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

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