Please direct your questions about this installation to the engineer of record, 
Eric Shelton, P.E.

Thank you,
Paul J. Pinigis, P.E.
Chief Life Safety Engineer
Hankins and Anderson


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kurt Kingston
Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 10:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Deperming Pier
 
I have seen a nice dry standpipe system installation done by a
competitor using HDPE and fusion seal fittings a few years ago on a salt
water pier (Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes, WA.). I cannot remember the
specific brand now, but this link is something similar:
http://corrosion-products.com/PipingProducts/HDPE.htm
IMHO, it looked like "using the right tool".
Good success,
Kurt Kingston
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commercial Fire Protection Inc.
PO Box 128
Mt Vernon, WA 98273
ph (360)-848-9093 fax (360)-848-1072
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Deperming Pier

I'd be concerned about two things with CPVC-
Effects of sunlight, even under the pier you'd likely get strong
reflections
off the water; and where are you getting 6" CPVC?
I have no idea if regular plumber's PVC would work; if you have a
low-pressure DPV, and you're looking at a 2.5" DPV as your activating
device
(and combo exhauster, it's a pretty big orifice) then wouldn't the air
never
be at high pressure and so it shouldn't be a problem to use PVC?

NFI, just a thought that would save my tax dollars versus SS316.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Deperming Pier

What if you ran plastic, CPVC is approved for fire protection above
grade
per NFPA 13.  See 6.3 of NFPA 13, 2007.






Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ch2m.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick
Green
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Deperming Pier


I am installing a dry pipe system (no sprinklers) supplying four hose
valves
on a pier.

The dry pipe valve assembly is located in a heated area.  Extending out
from
the dry pipe valve assembly  is 6" galvanized steel pipe.  The steel
pipe is
routed below the pier out to the  location of four hose valves.

The pier is used for Deperming ships, submarines.

Deperming is a procedure for erasing the permanent magnetism from ships
and
submarines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines> to
camouflage<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camouflage> them against
magnetic
detection vessels and enemy marine
mines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mines>.

Anyway, there is about a 200' section of the pier that requires that all
materials be non-magnetic.

*        Galvanized steel pipe that NAVY specified obviously want work.

*        CPVC plastic pipe will not work because installing dry system -
correct on this right?

*        Provided them pricing for stainless steel, copper, brass and
now
they want pricing for Aluminum,.

So a few questions

o   Ever used aluminum pipe for sprinkler installations?

o   Is there some other pipe type that I am not thinking about

Help would be most appreciated.

Rick E. Green
District Manager
East Coast Fire Protection, Inc.
1113 Cavalier Boulevard
Chesapeake, Virginia 23323
757/485-7486(p), 757/295-0956(direct), 757/328-0131(cell)
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