Mr. Greenman, I can appreciate your advocacy and its intent, but this condition does not implicate a building condition, but rather a School, the cost of replacing a few students will exceed any that may be associated with revenue loss by Mr. Wilson, I applaud his sense of ethical responsibility and I'm only sorry that more people don't behave like Mr. Wilson.
Eladio Alvarado Fire Protection Systems Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: inspection reports and copying fire marshals Rod, I agree with you but I'm going to play devil's advocate for the moment. Try this scenario: I'm a good guy and I buy a bad property but I have the intention of making it good. Hell, the old guy was a good guy but he didn't know anything about fire stuff either and his maintenance guys were Forest's competitors and he got a screw job. Anyway, I own it now and I hire one of our outstanding forum FPEs to perform a life safety analysis. Because he knows his stuff he hands me a modest bill for his hard work and a punch list a mile long. After recovering from the heart attack I realize it's going to take me a long time to raise the money to pay for all these unanticipated costs my FPE and I triage the work to immediate, soon and later. Now my FPE, being a forum regular, knows that he's working for me and counsels me that I should do everything as soon as possible but keeps our conversations confidential. Next I hire Forest to do an NFPA 25 inspection because I know the that I need to first know if the stuff I do have works. If he finds disfunction per NFPA 25, 72, 12, 12A, 17A, what have you, then he reports that to me. If our community has a statute that requires him to report to the FM then he must but otherwise it's all on me. And if there is a headline about "New Slumlord in Town" they'd better be sure that that's my reputation because I've already established in this scenario that I'm the good guy that intends to make this property right. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Rod DiBona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah I can see the headline now "School district sues fire protection > firm for disclosing life threatening conditions at our school to the > fire marshal..." Ummmm good luck with that. I don't think you have > anything to worry about. I would be curious to see who was doing the > annual inspection of the system. Were there any main drain tags showing > the drop and rise back in pressure? We are REQUIRED to provide a > duplicate copy of our inspections to the fire marshal. This is a good > think because then we aren't the bad guy, just the messenger doing what > we have to. My guess is that your competitor will be doing the repairs. > > Rod DiBona > Rapid Fire > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: inspection reports and copying fire marshals > > I just had a school district call me and yell at me for a report I did. > I conducted a water flow test 2 months ago at this school. The water > department and I observed that the PIV was shut. It had been shut for > the past 6 years. > Long story short the school asked me to open the valve and inspect for > other problems. I spent an entire day surveying the school and wrote a > 13 page report with pictures. Serious issues like rooms missing > sprinklers. Ceiling clouds missing sprinklers etc. No drains or > inspectors tests etc. > I sent a copy to the fire marshal and building dept. Well fed ex > delivered it to the fire marshal first and called the district before > they got their copy. > The school dist manager said that he emailed every school district in > the area advising them not to use us and is threatening to sue us over > sending a copy to the fire marshal. > > > Forest Wilson > Cherokee Fire > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:56:27 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Seismic information Brownsville, TX - Monterrey, MX > > > I am in desperate need of some seismic information for the area around > Monterrey Mexico, > > Or someone familiar with the Mexican "Manual for Design of Seismic, > CFE)? > > Here's the data I've gotten. I need to know if it parallels IBC as far > as when EQ bracing is required or if it's totally different and how > these numbers and descriptions relate to IBC? > > "5.2.- Seismic Data: (Per Manual of Design for Seismic, CFE) > Occupancy classification B > Structural System classification Type 1 > Soil Profile Type From geotechnical > report > Seismic Zone A > Response Spectra c= 0.16 > Ta= 0.30 > Tb= 1.50 > R= 2/3 > Ductility Factor Q= 2" > > Thanks! > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.ch2m.com > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
