It sounds like more study for the actual system demand is required,
otherwise your just guessing at the 15 vs. 20 flowing. You'll need to verify
all start stop settings with the civil engineer for the water purveyor, and
then look at the system demand, from the flow recorders. What time will the
system supply/demand be the greatest? This is when your pump will kick in
fastest. When is the supply/demand the lowest? This is when the pump will
take longest to kick in, possibly even over the 660 Gpm your system demands
if when you did your flow test the domestic demand on the system exceeded
160 Gpm, and your lowest demand is less than 10 Gpm, then it's possible your
system will never kick the pump in.

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: variable public water supply

In this case, the new pump is variable speed and is designed to maintain a
constant pressure. At the hydrant we were reading the pressures on, it
kicked in at 45 psi and boosted it to maintain 65 psi out to the capacity of
the pump.

My thought is that ignoring the pump at sprinkler flows up to where the pump
kicked in (approx 500 gpm in this case) is correct. If the system demand was
over the 500 gpm, what would be the effectiveness of the sprinkler system at
the flow goes from 0 to whatever the demand is when the curve is not 1.85
linear? From the time of first sprinkler opening, up to the 500 gpm, we will
be operating on a different flow curve than what we will over the 500 gpm.
Our designs are usually based on a maximum flow requirement only and assumes
the linearity of the flow curve. Say you have a demand of .30/2000 (ignore
hose streams in this case), or roughly 660 gpm. The sprinklers require 33gpm
each. The design says that we have to calculate 20 sprinklers flowing.
Should the design for the first 15 sprinklers (.30/1500) be based on the
lesser curve and the .30/2000 be based on the curve with the pump? Two sets
of calcs? How do you justify this to the septic system engineer that speced
out the sprinkler system?



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