I'm going to weigh in on Paul's side. The sprinkler contractor is
essentially seeing that the devices send a signal whereas the alarm
contractor is checking to see that that signal is processed properly
per his requirements.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >From one person's perspective: Waterflow and supervisory devices are 'parts'
> of the FA system inasmuch as they are initiating devices.  They are also
> 'parts' of the sprinkler system.  Each is referenced in their respective
> code.
>
> If a device fails, both contractors are going to be seated next to each
> other when the insurance company asks "Why".  Was the device
> inspected/tested per NFPA-25?  Was it inspected/tested per NFPA-72?  That is
> a two-part question that neither single-discipline contractor can answer
> completely.
>
> Based on the above, it's probably in the property owner's best interest to
> either:
> 1) Have a single contractor who is licensed and competent in both
> disciplines handle the inspection/testing process, or;
> 2) Have a single contractor of one discipline agree to perform the entire
> scope by sub-contract arrangement with a competent contractor of the other
> discipline (wording contract language carefully here so as not to violate
> applicable statute), or;
> 2) Allow each to contract and perform separately, resulting in redundant
> inspection/testing of certain common devices.  The problem with this
> approach is the old 'quality salute': alarm tech says it's the sprinkler
> device, while the sprinkler tech says it's somewhere after the device
> (wiring, panel, etc.).
>
> Either way, failed sprinkler devices still need to be replaced by sprinkler
> contractors.  That opens up the debate over whether sprinkler techs can
> detach and reattach wires, etc.
>
> The sooner our industry gets a solid handle on this issue, the sooner we
> build credibility and cost-effectiveness in effective ITM for fire
> protection owners.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Johnson
> Bardane, Inc. Visioning a competitive workforce
> (407) 401-7154 - Office
> (407) 399-5081 - Mobile
> [email protected]
> www.bardane.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Concurrent Testing
>
> Well, one in particular is a 19 story with 6 levels of parking.  Brand new,
> '08 editions prevail.
> Two dual fed wet zones per floor and three dry systems per level of parking,
> plus 4 more dry systems.
> Fire pump, 4 roof outlets, etc.
> They're pushing back claiming it has to be done by them as well.  I'm not
> sure I agree.
>
> Tom
>
> Well how many devices are there? They already have to check every smoke
> detector anyway duct detector , strobes, etc.
>
> Forest
>
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