If the state or locality has adopted NFPA 25 into the Fire Code or Building Code, the official could cite the property owner for non compliance. I have seen similar situations where people actually commit fraud, in one case writing down main drain results when the pipe was covered with concrete! It is useless to report it in most cases, but in a few cases the AHJ will actually do something. The more I see, I wonder if we should just do away with NFPA 25 and let people do whatever they want because without enforcement it is impossible to have adequate compliance.
-----Original Message----- From: Garth W. Warren <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:13:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Inspection forms/Test Papers Was recently in a public building in my home town and saw a 2" drain piped to a floor drain. Wondering how this installer did a drain test for the acceptance of the building - I asked the Building Inspector to see the Test Papers supplied by the contractor. The company had made their own certificates - which did not include a main drain test under the test section. They simply never did the test so they omitted it from their certificates. And our Building Inspector never knew the difference. Seems to be less than an honorable way to do business to me. Anyone that makes their own forms should at least be required to include all the necessary information on the forms. Garth retired fitter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Greenman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Inspection forms Good advice!!!!! On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Jim Davidson<[email protected]> wrote: > To all, > > Regarding inspection forms, do not customize to met local AHJ request. Go > to RelMark www.relmark.net and click on RelMark Group to review the Risk > Management implications. A local sprinkler contractor modified an NFPA 25 > inspection form to do the local AHJ a favor and ended up on the losing end > of a $12,000,000.00 loss as a result of an inspection with the modified > inspection form. > > The NFPA 25 forms developed by the AFSA and NFSA are based on limiting the > contractors liability which was the basis of the development of NFPA 25, > to limit the inspecting contractor's liability to the operational mode of > the water based suppression system not to the original design and > installation of the system. NFPA 25 is based on the original system being > installed and inspected in accordance to the code at time of acceptance > (NFPA 13). The inspecting sprinkler contractor should not assume any more > liability than he already has. > > Have a fire safe holiday! > > Jim Davidson > > Davidson Associates > Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting > 302-994-9500 Fax:302-234-1781 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest > Wilson > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Inspection forms > > I sent this from my blackberry by mistake to an individual rather than > forum, sorry. > > Re: Re: Inspection Forms [email protected] to [email protected] 13 min > ago Delete | Quick Reply | Actions | View As Plain TextYou can buy the CD > or the AFSA and NFSA both sell them. I buy them from the Association. > There is a lot of liability with inspections and its hard to miss > something if you use their forms. Plus they are the Industry Standard. > Many use their own letterhead and copy the forms onto it, which exposes > them to more liability and risk because they are then the author and not > the Associations. Re: Inspection Forms [email protected] to > [email protected] yesterday Delete | Quick Reply | Actions > | View As Plain TextNFPA has a CD of forms ------Original Message------ > From: Jay Jay Blocker Sender: [email protected] To: > [email protected] ReplyTo: [email protected] > Sent: Jun 30, 2009 11:41 PM Subject: Inspection Forms I have been asked to > evaluate the current status of our inspection departments forms. I was > wondering if any of you would have any 13 & 25 inspection forms you would > mind sharing. The form currently being used I am told is an old Grinnell > form from the 60's. I would greatly appreciate any help you can provide. I > can be reached off forum at [email protected] Thank you in > advance. > Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 1855 Bellbrook > Ave. Ste C Xenia OH 45385 888-347-3079 ph 614-455-4324 fx > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
