We are talking about a residential occupancy still.

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On Jul 17, 2009, at 5:27 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are we still talking about a residential occupancy?
>
> Lamar Vaughn
> Vaughn & Company
>
> ---- Damien Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My understanding would be:
>> NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) would allow 8' wide with a 8" lintel  
>> for light
>> hazard Room design to be considered an unprotected opening. i.e.  
>> you could
>> still use room design but would have to calc your 'design room' and 2
>> sprinklers in each of the communicating spaces (that have unprotected
>> openings). If the door into the other room on the 3rd floor could be
>> considered 'Non-rated automatic or self closing doors' as stated in  
>> NFPA 13,
>> 2007 section 11.2.3.3.5 (1), had your 8" lintel opening (opening  
>> restricted
>> to 8' wide), you could calc the sprinklers in the design room and 2
>> sprinklers from the floor below floor.
>> Alternatively, since it seems you have water supply to be  
>> considering the
>> additional sprinklers required for the communicating spaces with  
>> the room
>> design, if you were doing .1/1500 design, would the required area of
>> operation not be limited to a given floor and would that extra room  
>> on the
>> 3rd floor have more than 2 sprinklers? If the 2nd room on the 3rd  
>> floor has
>> only 2 sprinklers (depending on spacing/flow requirements), it may be
>> comparitable to the room design you may be able to justify the calc  
>> without
>> your friend installing auto closing doors, lintel and reducing the  
>> 12'
>> opening.
>> A lot of ifs for you.
>>
>> Damien Shannon.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of  
>> George Medina
>> Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Room design method - Technical information
>>
>> ?I am trying to help a contractor friend with a residential fire  
>> sprinkler
>> system originally designed per NFPA-13D using Tyco 'LF-II' 4.9K.
>> His client has areas where the beams are spaced less than 3'-6" and  
>> are 8"
>> in Depth . He can not ( or does not) want to change the beam depth or
>> spacing if possible so I inquired with the local AHJ about changing  
>> it to a
>> regular NFPA-13 system and using the room design method (so as to  
>> use quick
>> response heads near the bottom of the beams). I got the ok for that  
>> part,
>> but the room configuration doesn't quite fit the code  
>> configuration. The
>> most remote and demanding area is a third floor room (loft?) which  
>> has two
>> compartments one being opened to the 2nd floor below. By reading  
>> the section
>> on 'Room Design Method' it appears the main concern is keeping the  
>> heat in 1
>> room long enough to activate all the heads in it and possibly 1 or  
>> 2 heads
>> near the unprotected opening. It appears that it would meet all other
>> aspects of the code but the only difference being that the high  
>> room area
>> has a 12' wide opening on the 2nd floor to an adjoin room (10'  
>> below the
>> high ceiling). Is there a
>> ny research data on the 'Room Design Method' where the mathematics  
>> and
>> science required the 8" lintel and/or 8' maximum width of unprotected
>> opening? Any suggestions? (besides walking away from it).
>>
>>
>>
>> George Medina Jr.
>> Sr. Fire Sprinkler Designer
>> 95-1015 Ka'apeha Pl.
>> Mililani, HI 96819
>>
>>
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