Ok, this is from Findlandia Suana literature/ installation manual: (http://products.construction.com/Manufacturer/Finlandia-Sauna-Products-Inc-NST1770/products/Floor-Model-Electric-Sauna-Heaters-NST9534-P)
Note: When ordering, specify the elevation above sea level at your location. If a fire sprinkler is required, the head should be set at 275°F (or higher) and should not be located over the Sauna heater. ----- There is also some guidance I found from Nordic Residential Fire Sprinkler Group: http://www.standard.no/Global/PDF/Standarder%20p%C3%A5%20h%C3%B8ring/294717.pdf Their manual allows standard response in residential (which we don't). But is also states that "Sprinklers installed in saunas shall have a temp rating close to but no lower than 30* C above the highest anticipated ambient temp." The earlier post about maximum sauna temp being 195* is from UL 875 (according to the sauna website). I don't have a UL subscription so I can't verify that. But, if maximum allowable temp is 195 F (90.55 C) , plus 30* C = 120.55* C (249* F). So, using Eurpopean guideline the sprinkler would be 286* F maximum. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 . Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain i nformation that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named addressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Greenman <rongreen...@gmail.com> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms Sorry. I kept writing 286 but meant 360. I'm either getting old or am lready there. I just can't remember which. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Thom McMahon <tmcma...@firetechinc.com> wrote: The maximum temp is a control setting the occupant can adjust. The emergency etting is typically higher. The one I looked at last summer was 250'F. Was it ettable to a lower temp.? I don't know it just said max temp. 250 on it. Yes 360 is high, but how many btu's to raise the ceiling temp to 360 from 194? ow long to set head off? Seconds! Yes the occupant could receive burns in those econds, but I doubt their blood could boil, unless you raised the temp 1 degree er minute or some such nonsense. 286'F heads discharge to a fire located 30 or more feet below them in a half illion Sf bu ilding in a couple of minutes. A 360'F head in a 1000 CF room will eact to a fire in seconds. We are fire protection, not slow electrical cooker protection. Life safety? orn strobe when temp exceeds 113'F, which I believe is the skin temp at which veryone feels pain. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] n Behalf Of Forest Wilson Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms From a website: maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the United States is 194°F 90°C). These are C.S.A. and U.L. standards set back in 1982. At that time, it as also mandated that there must be a high-temperature limit switch within the auna heater. ---- Now, at 360*, in a 13D system, what is the priority: life or property reservation? At 360* in a very small room the person's blood must be close to boiling. ince the cut-off switch is a UL requirement, perhaps they have a paper on auna's with fire sprinklers. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 . Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com =0 D NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for he use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may ontain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not ntended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named ddressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It hould not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have eceived this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your ystem without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by eply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll ree. -----Original Message----- From: Thom Mc Mahon <tmcma...@firetechinc.com> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; b...@firebyknight.com Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am Subject: RE: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms This issue came up years ago while working with Jim Bell of Marriott Corp on e of their assisted living facilities a 13R that I have always used the ame ogic since then, and applied it to 13D as well. (1992) At that time arriott had bout 2 fires per year in sauna's, typically caused by bottles f body oil or owels placed over the heater. Jim's requirement was to prinkler all sauna's sing 300+ degree heads as the emergency cut out for auna controls is typically et in the high 200'F range. We currently nstall 360'F TYCO TY-B either 2.8K or .6K depending upon room size. (Yes=2 0I now they are STD response, but as we iscussed at the time, in a 8x10 room, ny protection is better than none, and td response Vs. QR will be a matter f only a second or two, with the ambient lready over 100'F.) 286'F heads re ok if your emergency cut off is set lower han 236'F, which I've never ound one that low. That's what we do and AHJ's only eed to hear this logic nce to accept it. Steam rooms, same source at Marriott, "What can burn? Tile walls, floors and iling, in a basic "Mist" system." Now Marriott used steel studs verywhere, so f your steam room is framed with wood and you have the steam enerator in the ypical under bench location, what we've done is put a head n that space, again igh temp. If the people or wet towels "s pontaneously ombust" in a steam room ot much a sprinkler can do to save them. I'd like to hear what others are thinking. 200'F heads will go off way too ten, 286'F may never go off if the emergency cut out is never needed, but know hat if a 360'F head goes off, it's either a fire or mechanical amage. Thom McMahon, SET iretech, Inc. 560 Copper Ridge Dr .O. Box 882136 teamboat Springs, CO 80488 el: 970-879-7952 ax: 970-879-7926 ----Original Message----- rom: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bob Knight ent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:33 PM o: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org ubject: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms I am working o n a 13D that has a sauna and steam room. What temp sprinklers hould I use, and is it permissible to use QR instead of Residential? I'm hinking that I will need high temp heads and residentials only go up to 75F, t least the ones that I'm familiar with. 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