Yes We subscribed to the FM Data Sheet subscription service for years in order to do just that. We've applied FM criteria on some projects since the owner may wish to engage FMG at a later date. In standard systems, simply use the 1.4 multiplier and other items where FM invokes more stringent requirements. Might need a 10 PSI EHP rather than a 7 PSI EHP on some storage applications.
What you cannot do is provide FM Global plan review/acceptance/approval since they don't review plans for others- unless they're contracted to provide engineering or risk management services to a self-insured Owner, or maybe they've got the top layer of reinsurance. It's been interesting over the years to inform "EORs" of this when they writer in all FM-apvd equipment, criteria, and require FM approval of the plans when FM is not the carrier- how long will it take for the light bulb to come on? Glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Johnston Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Design Criteria The question was more to do with can one use FM Standards - Legally, since they are not involved in the project? Are FM or any other insurance companies information copyrighted? I do realize you can get their information online just by signing up which I have done, so does that make it fair game provided that the AHJ buys off on it? Jim Johnston, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Inland Fire Protection, Inc 1100 Ahtanum Road Yakima, WA 98903 Phone 509-248-4471 Fax 509-248-1180 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Design Criteria If NFPA is silent on the subject and FM has a Standard which address the hazard you are going to disregard the FM info and do what? In the Industrial realm I deal with there are a lot of times where NFPA has no specific guidelines for some of the special hazards where FM does. I have applied the FM data and submitted it to the AHJ's and other insurance people without one rejecting it. This is because the data is recognized by the industry as being validated. If you just come off the wing with some design criteria what will you base it on, research, calculations, actual field testing? If you use the FM data just qualify it on your design documents. Plus NFPA Standards in most every case I've read allow for alternative designs. More often than not an AHJ will accept an industry standard over "sumthin that sumbody just thunk up". Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Johnston Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Design Criteria Forum Members: Got a question regarding design criteria: Can a project be designed utilizing FM Global standards although FM is not involved? Got a project where the design is outside the scope of NFPA 13 however FM Global has a criteria for the hazard. My answer would be no you can't use the FM Global criteria since they (FM) aren't involved, any thoughts on this? Jim Johnston, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Inland Fire Protection, Inc 1100 Ahtanum Road Yakima, WA 98903 Phone 509-248-4471 Fax 509-248-1180 [email protected] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
