Ken, I was referring to elevator machine rooms, however the section does cite crawl spaces, exempting them only when devoid of storage or fuel fired equipment.
Was your home built under the IBC or IRC ?. Interestingly ALL residential uses built under the IBC, yes you can build a single family dwelling under the IBC as an R3, are required to be sprinklered. Builders typically didn't argue this since few SFD's are built under the IBC but rather the IRC which until 2009 didn't contain a sprinkler requirement. Ken wrote; "Would that be considered used for living space?" No the IBC stipulates that the minimum ceiling height for LIVING SPACES be 7'-6" , 7'-0" for bathrooms, toilet rooms, kitchens, storage rooms and laundry rooms (1208.2). Then again you probably assumed I would answer that question with a code cite. :-) John Drucker Jr CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Borough of Red Bank, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Holsopple (forum) Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SPAM] - RE: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes - Found word(s) list error barn in the Text body Chris, John, and Matt, I think my error stems from treating IBC Section 903.3.1.2 as an exception. In the same "Where required" section of the IBC....it tells me that I need to follow 903.3. This is where the 13R "exception" is allowed if the building meets the qualifications. Although, when you add in the Chapter 7 stuff....it does indicate (as you'ins pointed out) that the IBC folks want sprinklers in the chutes no matter what. Just didn't sit right with me, but I see all of your points and wouldn't dream of arguing with a PE or an AHJ. And especially not with a fellow contractor. :) Thanks for your input fellas. John: Are you talking about elevators/elevator machine rooms for storage or just concealed spaces in general? When I lived at home, we had crawl space under the floor with groundhogs in it. Would that be considered used for living space? Even without furniture? I do not believe they stored anything there. That was out in the barn. Ken Holsopple _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, return this message to the address above and delete all copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, return this message to the address above and delete all copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
