Stethoscope? More likely an electronic sensor on the pipe 
transmitting to a computer in the roach coach.


At 08:55 AM 3/6/2010, you wrote:
>It would most likely be required  at or very near the shielding.Much 
>like a "wave filter" for an MRI installation.I would make sure all 
>interested parties are in agreement with the final location.Good Luck.
>
>
>---- "Brown wrote:
> > >From what I gather from everyone's comments (correct me if I'm wrong)
> > ... you install the flanges just inside the secure area and the
> > insulating gaskets and bolt sleeves to eliminate the ability for someone
> > to use a stethoscope to listen in on a conversation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > [email protected]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:27 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: "SCIF" Wall Penetration
> >
> > Mike, go to www.apsonline.com/gasket.html.I think this is what you are
> > looking for.
> >
> >
> > ---- [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > All:
> > >
> > > I've had opportunity to use install these in the pulp industry in
> > another life, and have seen them in my current place. I assume Steve is
> > describing a set up like this:
> > >
> > > Flange by Flange ftg.
> > >
> > > Drop bolts in first to ensure its ready.
> > >
> > > Clean flange, and tools, then hands. We used acetone from the lab to
> > clean our wrenches. Now I know it does burn. Not a good idea. Then
> > rubber (probably some kind of plastic) gloves.
> > >
> > > Bolts, flange, and steel washers are normal. If bolts are barely long
> > enough with normal washers, go up one length.
> > >
> > > Special non-conductive gaskets, and washers are used to provide the
> > isolation. But the real parts that take a little messing with are the
> > sleeves that go around the bolts. The need to be just shorter than the
> > distance between the faces of the flanges after makeup. We always had
> > another fitter, and the operator check them afterwords. This is not a
> > place to try to be productive. 100% was the only acceptable level. The
> > operator had to check something off some form or report. The goal was to
> > prevent the adjacent tank from exploding.
> > >
> > > Then make sure you get something on the wrenches so the don't rust.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > >
> > > Bruce V.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "steve" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "AFSA" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2010 8:29:23 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > > Subject: Re: "SCIF" Wall Penetration
> > >
> > > Is this at the service entry? You can use a dielectric flange kit at
> > that point or, as Geo said a dielectric union.
> > >
> > > SL
> > >
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: Mike Brown
> > > Sender: [email protected]
> > > To: AFSA
> > > ReplyTo: AFSA
> > > Subject: "SCIF" Wall Penetration
> > > Sent: Mar 5, 2010 4:15 AM
> > >
> > > Question I am working on a project where the FPE is asking for a
> > > "electrically isolated joint on the sprinkler feed main just inside
> > the
> > > wall"? Has anyone had to deal with this before...if so what did you
> > use? 4"
> > > Sch. 40 Main.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mike Brown
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