If you're assuming that the water supply is for both hydrants and
building system, then yes.   A four story standpipe is usually manual,
hence my question about where the FD is going to get their water.
Water supplies have to meet either the standpipe or sprinkler demand,
whichever is greater so if the only place for the FD to get water is
from this tank, then it has to meet the SP flow rate as you allude to,
for 30 minutes.   And then the OH sprinkler demand for 60 or 90 minutes,
whichever applies but you would have to include HSA of 250 GPM in that,
assuming both hydrants and system supplied by this tank.   Figure out
which is the larger of the two numbers and that's the capacity.    But
if there is adequate independent supply for the fire department to take
suction from the hydrants, then it isn't required to be considered in
either the standpipe duration or the hose stream allowance.   

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom
McMahon
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply

Excuse me but isn't the standpipe demand required to be met? 500Gpm for
the
first, 250Gpm for each additional?
I would think that you would size the storage for 60-90 min. of
whichever is
greater just like a combination stand pipe sprinkler supply.

Let's assume 3 required stairwells 500+250+250 = 1000Gpm. X 60-90 =
60,000
to 90,000 Gallons of storage.
I think this started with Tony saying it was OH I, so figure .15/1500 or
.15/3000 = 13,500Gpm to 27,000Gpm for 60 min. x1.5 for 90 min.

Standpipe demand is still more, size standpipe demand in this example.
Even
if it's only one standpipe at 500Gpm, that still more than the 450Gpm
the
sprinkler system will require for 3000 SF. (If you overflow the
sprinklers
by more than 10% they may become the more demanding.)

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply

It is a 4 storey sprinklered building with a standpipe as per NFPA 14.
The
standpipe is manual with the FD pumping into the standpipe system. That
is
why I thought to size the tank for additional 250 gpm, so FD will have
enough. 13, 2007 table 11.2.3.1.1 seems to indicate 60 to 90 minutes for
hose allowances also. Is that how you would read? 

Tony   


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