Chris is right! There are many ways to skin this cat, and all of them are OK
if properly applied, which it sounds like you're doing.

Just as you could use room design, area density or residential design.
Since your using area density, there is no requirement that you use the
reduction in area for QR.
The increased area for Dry, concealed combustible construction or slope
ceilings are requirements.

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1500 sqft vs 900 sqft

Nope as designer it's your choice.  There is/was something in 13 that says
to the effect when there are many ways to skin the cat all are not equal but
are acceptable.  

Having trouble finding the exact section this morning so even if not in 13
the point remains. Think of all the different ways to cover a particular
storage arrangement.  In-rack, OH only, ESFR, large drop, and now CSMA.  I
bet there are plenty of things with at least 5 different acceptable
minimums.  I bet each has a slightly different expected loss.   

And how many heads do you expect to actually operate in a real fire?  I'd
bet either calc you have an 11 head safety factor.  

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 1500 sqft vs 900 sqft

I am calculating a redesign for some apartments on the 18th floor of 
a building. 13 system; commercial QR sprinklers. There are a lot of 
closets and small rooms within the area. If I calculate the 900 sqft 
with the QR reduction, I am calculating 13 sprinklers. If I calculate 
1500 sqft and can eliminate the closet sprinklers from the calc, I am 
also flowing 13 sprinkler, but have few heads per branch line and 
therefore the system requires less water. The 900 sqft is actually 
more demanding, in this case. Is this something that should be 
checked for in calculating the most hydraulically remote area?

Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860.535.2080
www.fpdc.com

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