Thom, I am not as confident as you are about applying FIGURE A.8.15.22.3 to Jimmy's scenario: in the figure, both ceilings go wall to wall and the fire is not under the low ceiling. This whole above and below 'cloud' subject is more difficult and fascinating than it struck me at first- I am going to model about a thousand different set-ups to see where the heat goes when it gets above the opening, just to get a better personal feel for it.
Brad -----Original Message----- From: Thom [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling "Clouds What happened to following the code, Section 8.15.22.3.1 "the sprinkler system shall extend at least 24 ft (7.2M) into the space above the ceiling. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling "Clouds They will cover to the wall if they activate. If they don't, you have a 2' wide fire spreading long-ways, and any spreading fire is no good. I believe protecting the opening is good, just like you and a few others. The question I have is "where do you put the bulb", without heads all over up above at 12" max? -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Waite [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling "Clouds I would put heads 6'-0 apart to keep from providing two layers of coverage. I'm just trying to find something to convince the engineer. My heads in the stepped ceiling will cover to the wall. Jimmy Waite Design Engineer [email protected] mobile: 919.622.7030 3609 Bastion Lane | Raleigh, NC 27604 | ?: 919.212.2356 | ?: 919.212.2357 | www.piedmontfire.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling "Clouds Interesting! A 2' perimeter open to above is kind of like the opposite of a floor opening, where we put water curtains. With no sprinklers above, the fire should not SPREAD from the wall toward the middle more than a few feet. A draft stop all the way around with heads on the inside at 6' seems a little much, but has precedent. If you sprinkler around the opening up above, what is your deflector distance? If it is 12", as the ceiling steps down, the head above gets farther from the heat. You know the heat is going to be a few inches above the opening- so using the same logic as with rack sprinklers, wouldn't that be the best deflector (bulb) location? Now there are two weird things to get approved... -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Waite [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Ceiling "Clouds I know this has been talked about before, but I am having trouble getting onto the archives. I have a situation in an auditorium/lecture hall that has a ceiling that steps down as you get closer to the front of the room. However, there is about a 2'-0 perimeter around the room that is open to the non-combustible space above the ceiling. In this case I'd be willing to sprinkle around the opening (sort of like 8.15.1.5 in the '07), but it seems pointless to provide coverage over this entire lowered ceiling. Is there any code that backs this up? I thought I've heard some, but I don't know where it is. 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