No matter what you do or what security procedures you follow, someone somewhere will find and use some method to get around that protection. So do the best you can reasonably do to protect your seal or signature, and as others have said, your submitting to the AHJ, not the general public. That alone provides a certain level of security. If the Arch. Or GC requires copies of approved drawings, there really isn't much you can do to keep them from photocopying the seal or signature, and using it elsewhere. We have always had a policy that all signatures must be in colored ink, so we could spot photocopies. Did it help? Were there still ways around it? You bet! Do your best, and hope that it never becomes an issue. If it does become an issue, find a really good lawyer and sue the crap out of the offender!
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:41 AM To: [email protected]; Coastal Subject: Re: Electronic Submissions I have seen several situations where contractors have scammed PE stamps for drawings (including sticky back stamps from previous drawings and one company actually using a dead PE's stamp). This has made me get a little paranoid about the whole thing. In MA, the stamp not only has to be signed, but dated (I typically do this for all stamps). Doing this electronically would add a level of complexity, but help prevent lifting. There are also some AHJs around here that require wet stamps on all drawings and will not accept copies. At 07:25 AM 4/15/2011, you wrote: >Hello, > >It is an option to submit for state review and approval in South Carolina. I have used it a couple of times. Works ok for me. > > >As far as somebody removing your stamp from a drawing. > >Insert stamp on finished drawing. > >Print to PDF.... > >No security needed as there is noting to select and grab. It was printed into the set. > >Friday, April 15, 2011, 6:48:31 AM, you wrote: > >> Aren't we only submitting stamped and signed documents to AHJ's? I think >> that would help limit security issues. When I worked for an engineer, they >> only stamped and signed documents submitted for permit and were pretty >> adamant about it. Of course, that was before cad really became the norm and >> we were using sticky-back for standard details. >> I've become accustomed to Bluebeam and really like it for coordination, some >> submission work so far, and just not having so much paper to deal with. I >> look forward to working this way much more. >> I just wish I could crack that adobe requirement with NFPA standards. >> TD > > >> The digital stamp itself cannot be copied out of the file, it can't even be >> selected at times, and you have the option of viewing the original. There >> are some pretty in depth security measures available (no printing, no >> deletion of individual sheets, no commenting, password protection,). It >> could become a screen shot then transferred but that would be no different >> than scanning a physical print. I haven't gotten into it fully, but have >> gotten a couple PDF's that had these measures in place. > >> http://www.adobe.com/security/pdfs/acrobat_livecycle_security_wp.pdf >> In your free time.... > >> Locks are for honest people...as I was once told. > > >> Sounds like it could be easy for the unscrupulous contractor to lift a >> stamp. What is there for security? > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >-- >Best regards, >Charles Thurston >Coastal Fire Protection > Coastal mailto:[email protected] > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
