Tommy, there was a group home in NY state that met code and several clients lost their lives, smoking caused fire on porch to attic (No AS) to break thru and multi-fatality in sprinklered building. I wouldn't skip the attic if they aren't capable of self-preservation.
George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion" Attic is about a 12/12 pitch, a good 10' to the ridge. Very vented attic, the wind whips through. I'm thinking of filling it with glycol and hydro the pipe, I worry about any residual water freezing if I use it. The tree feed main starts 4" and scales down to 2" and it's all screwed pipe. The season and current occupancy is what worries me. I showed up two winters ago when some water up there froze and it burst and it was 2 in the morning, snowing (it's right on the water, surrounded by lobstermen) and these poor clients were in vans in the parking lot to keep warm. They have an Architect they use and I had her forward my report and email to him. He called and said I could sprinkler it per 13D as R4 under certain amendments in MA's section 310 with 5 or fewer licensed under a MA agency. I think Chris is right about applying current codes to older buildings, something just didn't seem right. The building is owned by the state, licensed and leased to them as operators. I do need to do an internal inspection and I'm afraid I'm going to find rotten pipe everywhere. I worry about the clients as they're multi-handicapped adults, some were dropped off there as infants. I can't disrupt their lives. I'm thinking that maybe I might propose a temporary wet system to protect the living area while we probably replace the entire attic system. Just so I don't have to make them have to move. I have a younger brother like these people so it rings a certain tender importance to me, not that it wouldn't either way. I plan to offer some plans to them, and they will have to go to the state. I've written back to the Architect and want to include him too. I also want to sit with the chief, he was there 2 winters ago, and a nice guy. I have to do some Code research. I also have that tick tock of an air compressor running, 24 hrs. and hoping the phone doesn't ring.. Thanks for all the education forumites. Any and all ideas very welcomed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion" Can you make it in a non-freeze, nonflammable medium to replace AF? Find the leaks, fix em, leave it in there. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Thurston Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion" Hello Hmm Off to invent fluorescent, colored, peppermint scented, smoke to get listed as a leak detection method for Dry Systems. Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 12:46:15 PM, you wrote: > I seem to recall in a previous thread not too long ago that someone > suggested some sort of fluorescent dye that could be injected into the > system and then be seen with a blacklight. An attic might be a good > space to use this sort of approach to help trace leaks. -- Best regards, Charles mailto:[email protected] Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole purpose of the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
